A sad state of affairs

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screenman

Squire
I think you will find the starting wage for a rookie is the same as a time served tech, do tech's get the same benefits? Not a bloody hope.

Have police numbers only been reduced for front line, that would explain why we seldom see them about.

I think I have found the figures that tell me front line staff have been reduced by near enough the same number as the reduction in police numbers since 2005.
 
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3narf

For whom the bell dings
Location
Tetbury
It reminds me of the scene in The Big Lebowski when he asks the cop about his stolen car, if they have any leads, and the cop is actually hysterical with mirth at the thought that the crime might be investigated.
 

screenman

Squire
To quote Drago,

Certainly there will be people who've done nothing more than shuffle paper, chair meetings, contributed little to the grand scheme, and endured nothing more dangerous than a paper cut, so there are doubtless individual cases where those receiving it aren't truly worthy.

Get rid of these people, no generous pay out's just get rid.
 

screenman

Squire
How do camera cars stop uninsured unregistered cars of which there is an awful lot about, years ago it used to be a speed camera and a few yards further of a officer to stop you, now somebody sitting in the van with no back up.

France I think is not far away from us on police number but manage a far better stop and check system on the roads.
 
Certainly there will be people who've done nothing more than shuffle paper, chair meetings, contributed little to the grand scheme, and endured nothing more dangerous than a paper cut, so there are doubtless individual cases where those receiving it aren't truly worthy.

And yeah, we're all getting the police service the Government thinks we deserve, leaving them free to door cyclists without fear of reprisal.



I explained in my previous post what alternative employment was - and still is - open to me, and the salaries they command, so unless you're a very senior officer one can hardly describe the pay as 'generous'. Most of the motor trade techs I know - my kid Brother was one - earn more on bonus for less working hours than a 6 year PC. Indeed, my Bro recently took a job at a Coca Cola warehouse in MK that pays as much as a Sergeant on max service...

As for getting more 'back out on the streets', do you think they have cupboards full of officers sat there doing nothing. As of when I left a few months ago the only folk not out and about were specialist posts, such as child protection etc, very senior scrambled egg, and those injured expected to return to full duties at some point. This idea that there are rooms full of bobbies wearing slippers and eating biscuits hasn't been true in my first hand experience once the last century. Most back office functions are being done by civilian staff, but as they're being made redundant to meet the tightening budget pressures then more and more bobbies will be pulled off the streets to back fill these roles, which don't simply go away. When over 90% of your operating costs is staff, all this guff the government trots out about streamlining, and smarter working are rubbish - the're no meaningful meat left to trim, the only savings that can be made are staff.

Easiest thing to do here is to boycott the budget cuts. Print their own money if needed. They are the police after all so who is gonna arrest them? And if the police did arrest themselves for illegal money making, they would then make themselves vulnerable to said cuts. With my way, we could have bobbies on every street and not have to deal with budget pressures. Cant believe I am the only one that has came up with this genius solution. Somebody should bring it to their attention.
 

Pale Rider

Legendary Member
The police pension scheme is, or perhaps was, ludicrously generous.

A PC could retire after about 25 years' service on a lump sum approaching six figures and about £1,400 a month.

If said PC joined in his early 20s, that retirement could happen is his early 50s.

Move up the ranks, and retirement is literally the equivalent of decent Lottery win.

Superintendents and above retire on a lump sum of about £300,000 and a grand - or more - a week, every week, for life.

The scheme is less generous now, and the last of golden age have all but gone.

Which brings me to my next point, some sort of early retirement scheme is needed because we need a relatively young police force.

Older people cannot do general coppering, which is the majority of the work.

That doesn't apply to some disciplines, most detective work is no more hazardous than working in any office.

I've seen skilled and artful detectives, genuine thief takers who you wouldn't want on your tail, retire at 50-odd.

You cannot buy that experience and expertise, and it's such a waste to lose it when the detective could carry on serving the public for another 10 or 15 years.
 

screenman

Squire
I have two friends both ex-police who have taken early one at 31 with a knee injury 30 years later still doing very long runs and another did his time and went at 49, both have gone back to work as civvies within the force.
 

Pale Rider

Legendary Member
both have gone back to work as civvies within the force.

Earning opportunities in retirement are better for ex-police officers than for most retired people.

Returning as a civvy is common, including ex-detectives who can do a lot of the inquiry work without the need for a warrant card.

A mate of mine did security work on cruise liners, and the safety officer at Sunderland AFC for many years was an ex-match commander.

There are also many pointless publicly funded bodies which think it looks good to have an ex-copper on the strength.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
As for getting more 'back out on the streets', do you think they have cupboards full of officers sat there doing nothing.
No, we know what's really in those police cupboards:
tardis_liquor_cabinet.jpg

;)
 

Starchivore

I don't know much about Cinco de Mayo
To quote Drago,

Certainly there will be people who've done nothing more than shuffle paper, chair meetings, contributed little to the grand scheme, and endured nothing more dangerous than a paper cut, so there are doubtless individual cases where those receiving it aren't truly worthy.

Get rid of these people, no generous pay out's just get rid.

The current problem, across the public sector, is that the government pretends it is getting rid of loads of the people mentioned above, but mostly that's just a cover for very severe and damaging cuts, getting rid of lots of useful people and leaving everyone who remains stretched and overworked.

They call if "Efficiency Savings".
 

Pale Rider

Legendary Member
So you mean they are starting to run like private companies have to do.

I don't like to see anyone under excessive pressure at work, but the phrase 'welcome to the real world' springs to mind.

Budget and staff cuts have become a way of life in the company I work for and, as far as I can gather, in many others.

My continued employment means at the very least I have bluffed my way into making them think I do a good job.

An old colleague who made no claim to be hard worker told me the trick is to leave just before you are found out.
 

nickyboy

Norven Mankey
The distinction of private = efficient, public = inefficient is a bit simplistic. Try dealing with NPower if you want to find out.

Again, over simplistically, but I think the better distinction should be big organisations = inefficient small organisations = efficient. Unfortunately most public organisations are very large indeed and thus tend to be at the very inefficient end of the spectrum in my personal experience
 
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