A sobering reminder (car prices)

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Glad I don’t give one whit of concern about other people’s perceptions.

Yeah 'scorned ' was perhaps a bit strong, rather perhaps just not what most people wanted (a ten year old car)
Nothing new in this, I remember as former manager in the late 80s remarking how many new cars people had compared to previously.
Finance was the big game changer.
 

Fastpedaller

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That and the fact that most people dont "buy" a new or newish car any more. The bulk of the market rent them on PCP and are only really interested in the monthly payment, leaving manufacturers free to crank up headline price instead.

Hell,you cant even outright buy a new Corsa if you wanted one, the only means to acquire a brand new one is on PCP or a lease.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This
 
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Don't they have to be serviced annually by a main dealer?
Mine had a full service history despite the silly low mileage! The tyres still had the knobbly bits

I'm a cynic, suspicious of a lot of things and when you see the amount of expensive cars with failing engines on YouTube channels, you'd suspect (because if the expense of them) they're PCP or similar and you seriously wonder if some garages are taking the money and NOT doing the work.

My SIL is a full blown garage mechanic, they get fleet cars and contract work but...the operators have stripped out every last red cent out of the deal, even for just a service. The hourly rate they pay doesn't cover the mechanics wages...so those cars get pushed to the back and they wait for a quiet period so the garage can at least get something out of it. Less scrupulous garages ?
 

Drago

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And the fleet operators are sneaky, will do an oil service when a major service is due, particularly if its coming toward the end of the lease.

They also won't pay for stuff like "sundries", items provided in bulk but in such small amounts on each car they cant be billed individually, tubs of grease, aerosols of lube, etc. As a result door hinges and checks traps don't get greased, locks don't get lubed, etc. I'd be very wary buying a lease car from anywhere, including Motability.
 

Gunk

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I seem to buy a new car every 10 years, in 2005 my Golf GTI cost a touch over £20,000

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In 2015 my Golf GTD was around £30,000

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And last October my Cupra Born was about £42,000

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Gunk

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Heads up. ICE cars (not sure about EV) need to be used* to run reliably so a low mileage car can be a bad thing. Short distances without getting properly warmed is particularly bad. Tyres, hoses etc deteriorate.

*I learned this through bitter experience.

Very true, we bought a very low mileage Mk2 Golf GTi 16V about 35 years ago. Bought it from Hampstead, it had full history but mega low miles, it was probably the worst Golf I’ve ever owned we had loads of trouble with it, I’d rather buy a higher mileage properly maintained car, you know then that most of the expensive stuff has been done.
 

vickster

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Heads up. ICE cars (not sure about EV) need to be used* to run reliably so a low mileage car can be a bad thing. Short distances without getting properly warmed is particularly bad. Tyres, hoses etc deteriorate.

*I learned this through bitter experience.

EV different as no oily bits but this is a 3 year old car not 15
 

Pblakeney

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EV different as no oily bits but this is a 3 year old car not 15

My car in question was only 5 years old when it went to the scrapyard.
EV cars still have components that can go wrong with underuse. Applies to a lot of things in life, use it or lose it! 😂
 
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EV different as no oily bits but this is a 3 year old car not 15

Interestingly I saw a YouTube channel video the other day, a guy (or company) doing auto electrical work on Tesla inverter / module

View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/VHtRyhwB4W8

Clearly there are.longer term maintenance items on EVs, we're just not seeing it yet
 

Profpointy

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I recall a programme or video discussing car manufacturers responses to the pandemic driven shortages of components and how they realised that the restrictions it meant on output, actually helped drive up prices...and profits. Prior to that, only luxury brands had managed this, restricted supply, prices high.
The program quoted how.major.manufacturers were suddenly making buge profits theyd never managed to do when mass producing.
At the same time, some manufacturers were dropping small cheap models like the Fiesta because there was little profit in them...effect, no more cheap cars so people have to spend more.

And of course,, that limited availability works it's way into the 2nd hand market, pushing up prices.

It's a win win for manufacturers, a lose lose for customers. But then, we're cars too cheap pre pandemic ? A 10 year old car was scorned and had little value in people's perceptions (i always thought at least)...now, its deemed perfectly acceptable.

I've just bought a ten year old Honda with 120,000 miles on it for £3k. Dunno if this is high or low. My last then 10 year old Saab had only done 70,000 and was £2.5k but became uneconomic to properly sort out so it had to go - didn't quite make my quarter of a million psychological target.
 
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Jameshow

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I've just bought a ten year old Honda with 120,000 miles on it for £3k. Dunno if this is high or low. My last then 10 year old Saab had only done 70,000 and was £2.5k but became uneconomic to properly sort out so it had to go - didn't quite make my quarter of a million psychological target.

That sounds a bargain if the engines good? Honda engines are pretty good I think.

What did it get too? That's not bad for a GM engine!
 

Profpointy

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What did it get too? That's not bad for a GM engine!

The Saab did 245k or thereabouts. I think the 2.3 turbo petrol was a Saab engine, maybe distantly based on a Triumph. I had had to gave an engine rebuild at about 150k as some oil pipes failed. Because I really had to get somewhere I pushed on rather than bailing out so did more damage than I perhaps might have done. I assumed the engine was buggered anyway but perhaps I could have got away with it.
 

Profpointy

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That sounds a bargain if the engines good? Honda engines are pretty good I think.

What did it get too? That's not bad for a GM engine!

A pal had a slightly different Honda from new and his had done 200k plus. If get 30,000 out of it that's three years motoring and I'd be surprised it it doesn't make 150,000. Any more than that is free motoring really.
 

Pblakeney

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A pal had a slightly different Honda from new and his had done 200k plus. If get 30,000 out of it that's three years motoring and I'd be surprised it it doesn't make 150,000. Any more than that is free motoring really.

Funny thing these self imposed limits. Especially so as I had set myself the exact same limits. 😂
Trouble is that my mileage has dropped to less than 10k/annum so it's a race what wins. The mileage or the bodywork.
 
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Gunk

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Funny thing these self imposed limits. Especially so as I had set myself the exact same limits. 😂
Trouble is that my mileage has dropped to less than 10k/annum so it's a race what wins. The mileage or the bodywork.

In my experience once you get to around 120,000 miles they’re trouble!
 
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