After 45 minutes of observations...

Discussion in 'Commuting' started by GrasB, 10 May 2010.

  1. GrasB

    GrasB Veteran

    Location:
    Nr Cambridge
    After reading Vike's thread on road law I took the opportunity to actually look at cyclists behaviour on a busy junction for 45 min:
    * about 1/3 of people wear high-viz
    * about 1/3 of people don't wear a helmet (but around half of the non-helmet wears did wear high-viz)
    * The majority of cyclist while not technically abiding every law show reasonable common sense.
    * The riders who took the most risks & pissed off the most people were those who looked to be seasoned cyclists & should have known better.
    * Car drivers want cyclists to disobey traffic laws when it means they wouldn't be inconvenienced by the cyclist.
     
  2. summerdays

    summerdays Cycling in the sun Moderator

    Location:
    Bristol
    An interesting point...
     
  3. BentMikey

    BentMikey Rider of Seolferwulf

    Location:
    South London
    Tut tut on including helmets and hiviz in a discussion on road law!!! Perhaps it's better to look at actually following the traffic laws, rather than opinion pieces.
     
  4. How do you know that, did you interview them and ask?

    Its a bit of a broad statement
     
  5. Molecule Man

    Molecule Man Well-Known Member

    Location:
    London
    Purely anecdotal of course, but I have been shouted at or beeped at many times from the car behind me after stopping at red lights or zebra crossings.
     
  6. MacB

    MacB Lover of things that come in 3's

    It was observation Mikey, he wasn't attributing any relevance, the only opinion seemed to be around the idea of motorists wanting cyclists to break laws that convenience them.
     
  7. summerdays

    summerdays Cycling in the sun Moderator

    Location:
    Bristol
    I suspect the motorist this morning on the way to school would have preferred it if I had ridden up onto the pavement rather than be in a strong primary to prevent him squeezing past my son and I on the car free side of the road. He was busy putting on his seat belt as he had to pull into a space between cars but I did hear he shout of Thanks to me.
     
  8. dondare

    dondare Über Member

    Location:
    London
    Absolutely. I (for example) ride without helmet or hi-viz but I know and obey the Law.

    As for the point about motorists wanting cyclists to break the Law in order to get out of their way this is something that I also suspect. However, I do not oblige them in this and I doubt if it could be used as justification in court.
     
  9. jimboalee

    jimboalee New Member

    Location:
    Solihull
    Yup.

    Ride bike past line of cars waiting at red light. Go far beyond STOP line. Set off as opposing direction changes to red ( if clear ).

    Motorists prefer this rather than me 'getting in the way'.
     
  10. Davidc

    Davidc Guru

    Location:
    Somerset UK
    What does wearing a helmet, which may or may not increase the likelihood of injury in an accident depending on speed, have to do with the law?

    Wearing Hi-Viz is again nothing to do with traffic law. It is an individual option which may under some circumstances, in daylight only, help in being seen.

    There is plenty of road law affecting cyclists which can be discussed without adding extras.
     
  11. jimboalee

    jimboalee New Member

    Location:
    Solihull
    There is a lot of law breaking done to convenience both cyclist and motorist.
    The threshold between safe and dangerous is what Mr Policeman is interested in.
     
  12. OP
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    GrasB

    GrasB Veteran

    Location:
    Nr Cambridge
    By car drives beeping cyclists pointing to the pavement (not a cycle path) & a chevroned area with a solid line surrounding it.
     
  13. OP
    OP
    GrasB

    GrasB Veteran

    Location:
    Nr Cambridge
    while it does have reference to another one on road law I'm just making some observations of which some aren't relevant to the original thread hence why it's in a separate thread.
     
  14. I quite agree.

    But then literally THOUSANDS of cars/drivers dont. (at least on my commute)

    Perhaps your comment should have stated "SOME" drivers.

    Not ALL cyclists vote green party, eat lentils and jump red lights and yet this is the assumed view of us. So why assume, just because one jumped up little prick in a penis replacement beeps you, that all drivers are the same.
     
  15. Crankarm

    Crankarm Guru

    Location:
    Nr Cambridge
    Fight, fight .......
     
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