Another blind one

[subaqua]

the irony is the statement "it was my right of way" and your sig says very different. or is it that way only if you are on a bike ?


AFAIR the HC had extra rules for cyclists not less and giving way even if you are right in the eyes of the law doesn't make your penious shrink.

 

[subaqua]

[QUOTE 1267924"]
What statement?
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ah yes. judicious use of the edit function. I should have quoted your post. especially the bit where you said " it was my right of way" .

 

[cisamcgu]

Well, as far as I can see, the car was on the roundabout before you, therefore has no need to give way.

 

[subaqua]

[QUOTE 1267927"]
Look at the timings. I think you jumped the gun.

Anyway, the thread has gone past that now. Anything else to say?
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nope you edited the post as I was writing and had i quoted it would reflect the original. You are getting all stroppy because a lot of others have also mentioned that you were very possibly in the wrong and you don't want to look less macho than you thought you might be.


apart from that no nothing else to say except Hope you don't get seriusoly hurt one day cos you thought you shouldn't have to give way.

 

[cisamcgu]

[QUOTE 1267928"]
I've yet to see the evidence that the vehicle already over the line should always be given way to, but let's accept that for now....
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Of course you have to give way to a vehicle already on a roundabout, otherwise you could just blithely crash into the side of any car and then claim it wasn't your fault .. !!

The error came before the driver joined the roundabout. She was there as a result of her poor observation and judgement. If she had done what she was supposed to then she wouldn't have been there in the first place.

She arrived at the roundabout, there was no other vehicles on it, her exit was clear, so she proceeded ...

As it was, there was no need to give way to her since, given my impeccable riding skills, there was no imminent collision without evasive action.

 

[cisamcgu]

I'm afraid I have to disagree, the roundabout was clear when she entered it, it was not clear when you did; I think it is obvious who is in the wrong.

You obviously have a different opinion - which is fine.

 

[BentMikey]

Why do you skip quoting the important part of that rule, the one that shows your mistake?

 

[BSRU]

[QUOTE 1267932"]
The mistake is in bold. Read the relevant HC section, which I've already quoted on this thread.

185
When reaching the roundabout you should

• give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights

(my bold) It's not about who is first onto the roundabout.

Her mistake was made before she crossed the line.
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I caught a similar incident a while ago on camera but involving a lorry. It is extremely annoying but something you have to expect. I think the car driver misjudges the situation, pulls out instead of doing the sensible thing and waiting.

Unfortunately like a lot of the highway code, the rule quoted is a "should", so only useful in the event of a collision in order to apportion liability.

 

[Sh4rkyBloke]

Does "the roundabout was clear when she entered it" mean that there was no-one on it when she entered? If it does then it is indeed the case, and therefore correct....

However, as she should be giving way to traffic from the right, any traffic about to enter the roundabout (from the right) has priority and if she isn't going to be clear of their path in time (or without them having to take avoiding action) then she shouldn't enter the roundabout. That's my understanding of it.

 

[Alien8]

Not much too get excited about there - just the same old same old.

But it would had been nice if the car driver at least attempted to drive around the roundabout rather than cutting across it and adding to the possibility of collision.

 

[benb]

I find it very surprising that people think that the car shouldn't have given way to Paul.


He was clearly not in danger of a collision, having taken evasive action, so no need for him to slow down more than he did, although he did deliberately cycle quite close to her which was perhaps a little cheeky.

 

[crumpetman]

I don't understand all the comments about the car only having to give way to other vehicles that are on the roundabout. That only works for very big roundabouts. For mini roundabouts then you really have to give way to vehicles before they get there otherwise everyone would just be crashing into each other.

I cannot see anything wrong with Users riding in this case, he slowed enough to make sure he did not crash into the car but the car should have waited.

 

[semislickstick]

It probably wouldn't have been a problem if they hadn't cut the roundabout.

 

[DrSquirrel]

[QUOTE 1267913"]
I did watch out, and saw her.

I was wrong for what? Colliding with her?

She should have stopped. She didn't. Nothing else happened.
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Regardless of who is right... why did you enter the RAB after they crossed the lines? You should have waited, which is what the dashed lines are for - and if you weren't going that fast anyway you should have had enough time to stop.

 

[thomas]

Guys - this 'first on the roundabout' is a load of old tosh!!

However, the ultimate rule of being on the road is stay safe, so if that means slowing down for silly people like in the video then do that.....which is what obviously happened.