Another blind one

[Jezston]

Looking at the video again it looks like the following happens:

1. Driver approaches the give way markings and appears to stop.
2. Can't see what happens now as camera moves off them
3. Driver is now in the road and cutting the roundabout.

I'm guessing they stopped as they saw the cyclist, then thought "oh f*** it its just a cyclist and they aren't going very fast" and charges in.

 

[4F]

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This is utter utter garbage and if you take this attitude out on the road then you are heading for an almighty smash.

The two things you should ask yourself when approaching a RAB is:

1) Is there any traffic coming from my right?

2) If I was to pull out would the traffic coming from my right have to take evasive action i.e slow down or change direction.

It is utter nonense saying 'Will I'm already on the RAB, therefore you give way to me.''
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You forgot one

3) If I carry on regardless because I am in the right and the HC says so, how much will I reflect on this lying on my hospital bed ?

 

[BentMikey]

Whatever is Lee on about? All I said was that MrP should have slowed down and waited for her, instead of charging at her and whinging about it.

How exactly is slowing down to avoid another road user "heading for an almighty smash"? 4F is exactly right, as is MrP's signature. Makes MrP a hypocrite at the least, too.

 

[ferret fur]

It really is worrying there are so many people who don't understand a: the Highway Code, b: the law. If you come into collision with traffic you are required to give way to, you have, by definition, failed to Give Way. End of. Sure if the OP piles into someone when he could have avoided them then, yes, he would be in the wrong. But he didn't so he's not doing anything wrong. The driver is.

 

[ferret fur]

Whatever is Lee on about? All I said was that MrP should have slowed down and waited for her, instead of charging at her and whinging about it.

No you didn't. You said:

She was on the roundabout before you, you should thus have given way

Which implies that she was correct in entering the roundabout because if she can get on to it before you then you have to Give way. That may not be what you meant, but that is the logical implication of what you said. The fact is, she shouldn't have been there in the first place.

 

[4F]

It really is worrying there are so many people who don't understand a: the Highway Code, b: the law. If you come into collision with traffic you are required to give way to, you have, by definition, failed to Give Way. End of. Sure if the OP piles into someone when he could have avoided them then, yes, he would be in the wrong. But he didn't so he's not doing anything wrong. The driver is.

This is simply a case of "you are on your bike and therefore slower and smaller than me, therefore you can wait"

However I would say that yet again another pointless video with a non event

 

[Norm]

IMO, he lines in the road mark the intersection between two roads. When she crossed those lines, there was nothing on that road for her to give way to. When MrP cross the lines, there was already a vehicle on that road.

That said, I've had exactly the same issue only the car which pulled out on my turned to their left and then headed up the road at about 10mph, slow enough that I followed and then overtook them. In MrP's position, whatever the armchair analysis would suggest, I'd have done the same and probably shouted even louder.

 

[BentMikey]

Do you always charge angrily at people on roundabouts ahead of you, ferret fur?

As 4F says, a pointless non-event video with an unjustified reaction by the OP.

 

[BentMikey]

MrP, you're talking boll0cks, and you know it. You're arguing like Cab, only worse. I've seen you get like this with other people before, and further debate with you is a waste of time. Time to put you on ignore.

 

[4F]

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I've asked you to respond to a question 3 times (4 now) Mikey. If you please....

I've also responded to your charging nonsense.
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I assume the question you are trying to badger an answer out of BM is "Why should I slow down ?"
I would suggest the answer is "To avoid cycling into an object and ending up in a heap on the floor"

 

[ferret fur]

To avoid cycling into an object and ending up in a heap on the floor

But he didn't did he? So he didn't need to slow down to avoid hitting her. The fact remains it was close enough to cause the OP concern. I agree it is not particularly terrifying as an incident, but it is representative of the kind of rubbish driving which ought not to be tolerated because under slightly different circumstances, it leads to people ending up dead.

 

[DrSquirrel]

But he didn't did he? So he didn't need to slow down to avoid hitting her. The fact remains it was close enough to cause the OP concern. I agree it is not particularly terrifying as an incident, but it is representative of the kind of rubbish driving which ought not to be tolerated because under slightly different circumstances, it leads to people ending up dead.

If he didn't slow down, why not? The car was clearly on the RAB at that point (right of way or not) its probably time to easy up and wait until it's clear. It's clear to see the car approaching... most people here knows that the car is going to go... hell we can be half way on the RAB from their right and they still join!

 

[Origamist]

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Don't think I need to say anything about this one...

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What on earth made you say that?! Did you not think the CC commuting cognoscenti (aka the confederacy of contrarian and querelous nit-pickers) would be all over this vid like a rash - shame on you Mr P!

 

[400bhp]

What on earth made you say that?! Did you not think the CC commuting cognoscenti (aka the confederacy of contrarian and querelous nit-pickers) would be all over this vid like a rash - shame on you Mr P!

There's some people on this site with a warped view of the world.

 

[campbellab]

Both arguments have some truth in them:

You should give way to traffic approaching from the right (highway code)

You should sometimes give way to traffic already on the roundabout (common sense)

The second statement applies when traffic already on the roundabout has had to slow/stop for some reason. Or if traffic approaching from the right is obscured, and probably approaching too fast, for someone who sets off when their view is clear to get out of their way.

If getting on the roundabout first meant you had right of way I'd hate to see the change in attitude and amount of accidents as people rushed to cross that line.

I'm with MrP, she shouldn't have pulled out, the view was clear, and he maintained progress whilst avoiding an accident.