Another blind one

[Origamist]

I always make a point of trying to make eye contact with motorists in situations like this and if I can't make eye contact then I assume that they haven't seen me and ride defensively.
I'd much rather slow down on a RAB or junction than get taken out by a car.

There is an obvious problem with slowing down quickly on a RaB when it's clear on your right - a shunt from behind. If you are going to take defensive, preemptive action, you need to be fully aware of what is behind you - otherwise, your best efforts to avoid a collision, unintentionally lead to a more common collision type: getting rear ended.

 

[benb]

Sorry Mr P but she was nearer to the roundabout than you were and had a perfect right to enter it, since you had not arrived at it.

the "approaching from your right" refers only to vehicles already on the roundabout, or are you claiming that anyone, no matter how far away, but on your right, has right of way?

Wrong. Very very wrong.

Obviously if there is a car 50m away you don't need to give way, but if by joining the roundabout you cause another road user joining from your right to have to take evasive action, then you shouldn't have joined.

The rule is very simple - give way to traffic approaching from the right. On big roundabouts that will mostly mean traffic already on it, but for small ones it can often mean traffic about to join it.

 

[nightoff]

I have read the full thread and am honestly suprised at the number of people defending the car driver's actions.

This is an excellent video to post as it demonstrates there is a genuine lack of understanding about how RABs are meant to work. I was always taught not to enter a roundabout if it causes a vehicle approaching from the right to slow down or take evasive action.

There appears to be a disturbing number of people who think it is ok to cut in front of another vehicle providing they enter the roundabout first.

For the record, I agree with Mr P. I would have expected the driver to give way but covered my brakes just in case.

Mini roundabouts can be tricky. this link here offers some good advice. As usual though, it is safer to assume everyone is an idiot and ride defensively.

 

[tongskie01]

when i was learner driver, my driving instructor always tell me to slow down when approaching a round about and be ready to stop. in mini RAB my approach speed is 10 miles per hour . in your case you haven't slowed down but carried on. you're clearly on the wrong here.

 

[Sh4rkyBloke]

when i was learner driver, my driving instructor always tell me to slow down when approaching a round about and be ready to stop. in mini RAB my approach speed is 10 miles per hour . in your case you haven't slowed down but carried on. you're clearly on the wrong here.

... and didn't your teacher teach you to give way to people approaching from the right? So, the cyclists doesn't slow as much as you would and that's wrong, but the driver who slowed and then just pulled out in front of him forcing him to have to take avoiding action is in the right? Interesting.

 

[Tynan]

what about the good old 'never perform a maneuver that makes other road users have to brake or change direction'?

the car was plain wrong to pull out there

the pick holes in peoples' riding posse is in full swing today

 

[campbellab]

I like how probably one of the dullest incidents I've seen has turned into a 7 page debate and shown even how in an enlightened community like this how misunderstandings of highway code comes in to play.

Closest has priority, think of how many accidents would occur as everyone races to the line?

 

[Sheffield_Tiger]

what about the good old 'never perform a maneuver that makes other road users have to brake or change direction'?

the car was plain wrong to pull out there

the pick holes in peoples' riding posse is in full swing today

And wrong to go more or less the wrong way around a roundabout! Not even over the centre, if you watch, over the right side of the RAB, turning towards the path of the cyclist approaching from the right.

I don't see what's wrong with posting the vid - after all it doesn't say "Near miss, aggressive w***er nearly had me off" - it's merely an illustration of how drivers either fail to see or fail to consider, cyclists when negotiating junctions.

Neither does the OP "race up to" the car in order to do an emergency stop to make some point, but rather slows enough to avoid a collision whilst not exaggerating the avoidance causing anyone behind (should there have been, can't tell) to also become affected.

What's wrong with that.

"Well done" is also hardly "look out you f**ing w***er, I know where you live, I'll have you for that" or anything along those lines

All in all though, pretty much a non-incident. Which is good. Unlike the incident whereby a car doing the same, but later, sent a cyclist ricocheting off their bonnet and into my rear wing as I waited opposite the entry road of the cyclist. Caused by a driver failing to see or acknowledge a cyclist entering the RAB to their right

 

[400bhp]

I like how probably one of the dullest incidents I've seen has turned into a 7 page debate and shown even how in an enlightened community like this how misunderstandings of highway code comes in to play.

Closest has priority, think of how many accidents would occur as everyone races to the line?

 

[gaz]

When posting videos on youtube, at one point or another your going to make a mistake, we are all human and it is to expected. One thing to do is take everything on board and act on it. I've been in this boat many a time, but making mistakes is part of the learning process.

Mini roundabouts are something to be careful of. Big roundabouts work because traffic can travel around them faster. But on mini roundabouts everything is slower and turning circles may cross. In this case it's wise to treat them kind of like a 4 way give way. The driver to your left got there first and there is nothing to her right, she has the right to enter the round about. Watch how the cars in front are indicating to see how the situation might plan out. I always advise slowing down and making sure it is clear to go as more often than not you will get hurt rather than the car driver.

 

[Sheffield_Tiger]

The other thing with mini-RABs (there's one in particular that I find this often happens) is when it's busy and by nature everything is slow-moving, a car arrives at each entrance at the same time, then all stop waiting for each other to go

 

[As Easy As Riding A Bike]

Someone shouldn't assume they can cross a RAB at 30mph just because they are approaching at that speed.

Wouldn't this allow people to come onto the RAB as fast as they wish regardless of what is waiting, approaching or even starting to enter from the left? careless driving?

FFS. I was constructing a hypothetical scenario to counter the "whoever is closest to the roundabout has priority" bollocks.

I was not suggesting it was best practice to always approach a roundabout at 30 mph, regardless of road conditions.

Please.

 

[ferret fur]

Please.

I think you mean 'puh-lease'

 

[BentMikey]

"whoever is closest to the roundabout has priority" bollocks.

I'm not sure anyone actually suggested that?

If you cross a give way line, and there is already a vehicle on the roundabout in front of that give way line, then that's not very good giving of way.

 

[As Easy As Riding A Bike]

I'm not sure anyone actually suggested that?

Sorry Mr P but she was nearer to the roundabout than you were and had a perfect right to enter it, since you had not arrived at it.

the "approaching from your right" refers only to vehicles already on the roundabout, or are you claiming that anyone, no matter how far away, but on your right, has right of way?

It is not true that "approaching from the right" only applies to vehicles on the roundabout.

With good reason.