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As Easy As Riding A Bike

Well-Known Member
And here's an example from today. Not my video - it's bigguychappers in York.

Notice that the car fails to give way to a bicycle approaching the roundabout from the right.

Of course, the driver clearly did nothing wrong, because A) he was closer to the roundabout and B) the roundabout was clear when he entered it.
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BentMikey

Rider of Seolferwulf
Location
South London
And here's an example from today. Not my video - it's bigguychappers in York.

Notice that the car fails to give way to a bicycle approaching the roundabout from the right.

Of course, the driver clearly did nothing wrong, because A) he was closer to the roundabout and B) the roundabout was clear when he entered it.
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It's not the same - Big Guy was on the RAB before the car in his example, and so definitely has priority. That's not the case with MrP, where both he and the driver share blame IMO.
 

As Easy As Riding A Bike

Well-Known Member
It's not the same - Big Guy was on the RAB before the car in his example, and so definitely has priority. That's not the case with MrP, where both he and the driver share blame IMO.

Mikey, with fairness, I think you are being just a little bit pig-headed here.

Bigguychappers may *just* have beaten the car on to the roundabout, but the driver is clearly committed before the cyclist has entered the roundabout.

What if bigguychappers had been - say - a yard further back? Would the driver be in the right?

No. Of course not. Because the rule is to "give way".

You know what "give way" means.

Mr P's example is nowhere near as close as this - but the driver in his case should still have given way.

This is simple.
 

Inertia

I feel like I could... TAKE ON THE WORLD!!
I boggle, just when I think its done and someone explains why you should give way to a vehicles on the right with examples and explanation, someone new comes along and says, "she was there first, your fault." :rolleyes:

It is worrisome that so many think its fine to pull in front of another vehicle as long as you were there first.

and still noone has explained what fault Mr P shares, as he at no point hits anyone or blocks anyone.
 

gaz

Cycle Camera TV
Location
South Croydon
I can clearly see that everyone has ignored my other post but i'll say it again.

We can see that roundabouts cause an issue, who is in the right or wrong should not be up for debate. What we can see is that people make mistakes. So for the sake of everyone involved in this banter, can we all just agree that you shouldn't go charging through the roundabout and try to appreciate that someone might go when they technically shouldn't. That way no one gets hurt and we can all keep sane.

Being safe whilst on the road is all about; reading the road ahead, understanding other road users needs, keeping safe and cutting people some slack when they make minor issues.
 

Bollo

Failed Tech Bro
Location
Winch
I've got my opinions about this one, but I'll go constructive on yo asses by lobbing in the following link..

htttp://www.mini-roundabout.com/trlreport.html

The last para is most relevant.
 

campbellab

Senior Member
Location
Swindon
I think the lack of clarity comes from the inclusion of giveway lines on the entrance to the roundabout. And they do use different types of giveway lines at different roundabouts with slightly different meanings.

The Highway code only gives half the story:
'give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights'


The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002 p161:
Give way line at small roundabout - when approaching you must give way at or immediately beyond! [the lines] to traffic already circulating on the roundabout. Must be in conjunction with a roundabout sign that states:

(a)A vehicle entering the junction must give priority to vehicles coming from the right at the transverse road marking shown in diagram 1003.3 associated with the sign or, if the marking is not for the time being visible, at the junction;

Although the lines in this case are on p160 and in this case but also have the roundabout signs as above:

'shall be that no vehicle shall proceed past such one of those lines as is nearer the major road into that road in a manner or at a time likely to endanger the driver of or any passenger in a vehicle on the major road or to cause the driver of such a vehicle to change its speed or course in order to avoid an accident.'

However both drivers have the same giveway lines. How does one define the 'major road'? It must be the roundabout itself in this case as the minor roads are indicated by the use of the double giveway lines.

So what have I learnt from my stupid time researching this dull topic?

a) The driver should have given priority to the right and is fully in the wrong for pulling out.
b) She then proceeded to take the wrong line over the roundabout causing more conflict with other road users.

c) MrP did not cause the driver on the main road to change it's speed or course in order to avoid an accident so did technically nothing wrong. He should be prepared to giveway to those already on the roundabout. But her wheels just cross the line at ~14s and MrP is on the roundabout by 15s so there isn't actually a lot of time to not do this aggresive cycling that he's being accused of?

d) The driver did cause MrP to take evasive action, although technically he wasn't on the main road when she proceeded over the lines.

e) Being 'nearer to the roundabout' definitely does not give anyone the right to enter it before anyone else.

f) I spend too much time researching pointless crap. What do they say about arguing on the internet?



Questions m'lud?
 

campbellab

Senior Member
Location
Swindon
So, busy roundabouts are always empty because everyone has someone approaching from the right and so cannot enter it.

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And the good reason is?

You give priority to those on the right, if you can enter and clear the path of the other vehicle then there is no priority required or any way to give :biggrin: Plus not all vehicles go straight on, some exit left.
 

Inertia

I feel like I could... TAKE ON THE WORLD!!
And the good reason is?

On a mini roundabout if the rule applied only to vehicles 'on' the RAB, the rule would be virtually meaningless as they are barely big enough for a vehicle to get 'on' to.
 
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