Any Police Officers on here?

[peanut]

your dog is probably being aggressive because you have not yet established your dominance. You feel sorry for the dog because it is old and its history etc but what you are doing is not kind to the dog at all.

Once your dog understands clearly who is the pack leader out of you two he will be free to leave you to deal with the other dogs. Try to think of your dog not in human terms but as an animal. His needs are not the same as ours ,he needs to be part of a pack to be balanced and happy .

Watch some Dog Whisperer it will show you how to give your dog some balance and to establish yourself as the pack leader. Then your dog will be a lot happier knowing where he is in your 'pack'

 

[PaulB]

your dog is probably being aggressive because you have not yet established your dominance. You feel sorry for the dog because it is old and its history etc but what you are doing is not kind to the dog at all.

Once your dog understands clearly who is the pack leader out of you two he will be free to leave you to deal with the other dogs. Try to think of your dog not in human terms but as an animal. His needs are not the same as ours ,he needs to be part of a pack to be balanced and happy .

Watch some Dog Whisperer it will show you how to give your dog some balance and to establish yourself as the pack leader. Then your dog will be a lot happier knowing where he is in your 'pack'

Very sensible advice there. You'd do well to heed it.

 

[MichaelM]

I realise that some may think he looks aggressive - that's why I keep him on lead. The bitch has got excellent recall even in full flight and will down immediately on command. The pup still does a few things he shouldn't, but I'm working on that in live situations and he does still look like a pup. He's getting there though and is not bad for a 6 month old.

Locky (the big boy) has had the snip.

He definitely knows who the alpha male is in this family - and it's not him (I do like the Dog Whisperer though).

I'm begining to repeat myself on some points so I'll leave this now.

Thanks for the replies.


Michael

 

[on the road]

That is quite dreadful advice and shows a lack of consideration for other people, dogs should always be on a lead in a public space. I don't want to have to "socialise" with free running dogs when I am out and about on foot or bicycle.

I can tell you've never had a dog before because you obviously know nothing about dogs. Dogs are not required to be on a lead in a public open space. No one is asking YOU to socailise with dogs, unless you just so happen to be a dog.

You think not having a dog on a lead in a public open space is disrespectful to other people? Why?

So you think all dogs should be on a lead all the time, even when out in the park?

It is quite safe for dogs to be off the lead in a public open space like a park. Most of the time dogs just run around playing with other dogs. When people like you walk past a dog, those people start to panic and sh*ting themselves looking at the dog making eye contact, so the dog feels threatened and starts to bark. So the next thing is people like you suddenly run and the dog thinks they're playing with them so run after them. Then the person (like you) starts to scream, inducing fear into the dog making it feel under threat.

Word of advice.

I know you're scared of dogs but the next time you happen to come up towards a dog, don't show any fear and don't make eye contact, and you can go on your way and the dog won't bother you.

 

[peanut]

Locky (the big boy) has had the snip.

He definitely knows who the alpha male is in this family - and it's not him

if this was true you wouldn't have the problem that you do. I'm sorry to state the obvious but you clearly do not have the control over him that you believe you do.

We think that once we have established control of an animal on one occasion that the staus quo lasts for an indefinite time after that . It doesn't.

To be dominant it is necessary to be assertive energy all the time as a pack leader would . Every time a dog rushes to the door or window barking he is reaffirming his dominance .Every time he gets on the sofa or bed before you he is doing the same thing.

I'm not being critical I'm simply stating the obvious. My cats are totally dominant in my house including over the dog. Its such hard work constantly being on their case and so much easier to just give in for a quiet life.

first there is Mrs Peanut then the cats then the dog then me

 

[NutSack]

So you think all dogs should be on a lead all the time, even when out in the park?

I know the question was not to me but...Yes I do, most definately, sorry.

Word of advice.

I know you're scared of dogs but the next time you happen to come up towards a dog, don't show any fear and don't make eye contact, and you can go on your way and the dog won't bother you.

Good advice but easier said than done for people who are genuinely scared or phobic of dogs and are being approached by one who is not on a lead, and there are lots of dogs who will always approach people, ok they may be friendly but put an ice-cream into the hand of a young child and with the best will in the world there will be unwanted attention from loose dogs.

 

[peanut]

if you cannot properly control your dog it should be kept on a lead in public places at all times.
The law states that you are responsible fot keeping your dog under proper control in public places at all times.

I don't want somebodys dog running up to me and my children barking and jumping up with muddy paws and slobber and knocking my children off their feet.

Owners that allow their dogs to behave like this are irresponsible and ignorant they probably don't carry any public liability insurance either so if their dog hurts someone or causes an accident you can't get any compensation.

Far too many people out there that get a dog as a status symbol and don't feed it or exercise it properly and leave it home all day barking its head off or open the door and just let it roam the housing estates carping in peoples gardens , pavements and childrens play areas.

I think all pets should be required to have a license or passport like horses

 

[4F]

if you cannot properly control your dog it should be kept on a lead in public places at all times.
The law states that you are responsible fot keeping your dog under proper control in public places at all times.

I don't want somebodys dog running up to me and my children barking and jumping up with muddy paws and slobber and knocking my children off their feet.

Owners that allow their dogs to behave like this are irresponsible and ignorant they probably don't carry any public liability insurance either so if their dog hurts someone or causes an accident you can't get any compensation.

Far too many people out there that get a dog as a status symbol and don't feed it or exercise it properly and leave it home all day barking its head off or open the door and just let it roam the housing estates carping in peoples gardens , pavements and childrens play areas.

I think all pets should be required to have a license or passport like horses

Peanut I agree totally. Luckily we have loads of rural dog walking routes and I often don't see anyone else about however whenever I see anyone else about I always recall our dog and put her on a lead. I know there are many others who do not like dogs and would not appreciate our dog running up to greet them.

 

[peanut]

Peanut I agree totally. Luckily we have loads of rural dog walking routes and I often don't see anyone else about however whenever I see anyone else about I always recall our dog and put her on a lead. I know there are many others who do not like dogs and would not appreciate our dog running up to greet them.

well you are obviously a caring and considerate dog owner. I'd like to think that we are too as we have a Dobie . She's a big dog and can appear pretty intimidating when she is racing up towards you.
Most dog owners i see unfortunately are not so considerate and believe they have a perfect right to let their dog off the lead everywhere.

our neighbour is one of those. He lets his dog out into our shared private lane the dog immediately chases our cats and bursts into our cat flap or into our kitchen. He is an immensely powerful lab and is a bit of a handful although a very nice natured dog.

 

[Auntie Helen]

Actually, Peanut, a lot of dog owners may well have public liability insurance - I think it may be part of the dog health insurance these days (I could be wrong).

I know when my dog was a Pets as Therapy visiting dog I did get extra insurance for him (£5 million) as that was standard for PAT Dogs, but he was already covered for £2 million with Pet Plan.

Current dog failed the PAT Dog test (too naughty!).

 

[ComedyPilot]

Why do the police need to get involved?

You need to see a good dog trainer.

 

[peanut]

Actually, Peanut, a lot of dog owners may well have public liability insurance - I think it may be part of the dog health insurance these days (I could be wrong).


Current dog failed the PAT Dog test (too naughty!).

yes Auntie Helen I'm sure that a lot of owners have insurance with PL cover but we are not really talking about those owners .
many folk can't afford to eat let alone pay £20+ a month on dog insurance. My 2x cats cost £17.50
If you are on a tight budget that would be the first thing to go really.

I'm really referring to the irresponsible dog owners who do not care for their pets properly, don't exercise them enough or chose inappropriate pets without thinking about the consequences.

You failed the PAT test tsk tsk some owners eh ..

ahem errr what exactly is the PAT test ?

 

[tosbert]

if this was true you wouldn't have the problem that you do. I'm sorry to state the obvious but you clearly do not have the control over him that you believe you do.

We think that once we have established control of an animal on one occasion that the staus quo lasts for an indefinite time after that . It doesn't.

To be dominant it is necessary to be assertive energy all the time as a pack leader would . Every time a dog rushes to the door or window barking he is reaffirming his dominance .Every time he gets on the sofa or bed before you he is doing the same thing.

I'm not being critical I'm simply stating the obvious. My cats are totally dominant in my house including over the dog. Its such hard work constantly being on their case and so much easier to just give in for a quiet life.

first there is Mrs Peanut then the cats then the dog then me

This is spot on, I totally agree. I used to suffer with this.
I've got two dogs... a male munsterlander and a female pointer.
I have had a problem with aggression with the male, he would attack anything that came within a couple of foot of him whilst on his lead - which all started with some irresponsible plonker letting his German Sheperd attack mine when he was a pup - he's now 8 odd stone so it HAD to stop.
You definitely need to become alpha dog, as they will attack if they think the situation is threatening, hence protecting their 'pack'.
The most noticeable results I got when starting alpha training is to feed them AFTER you, and ALWAYS leave the house before them when going out for a walk. They appear to think that the first one out of the house is the pack leader (I suppose it makes sense) and the first one to eat would get first pick of the best food whilst all other pack leaders wait. Now, there's no aggression from him, I'm quite confident walking him on the lead or free running - any dogs that I don't know, they are both recalled to me without any question and there is never a problem. Admittedly, I'm not sure what would happen if the male was attacked (it hasn't happened yet, a few growls from other dogs which he ignores, but no actual attack yet) - but then as already stated many times before, the other owners are at fault in my opinion, as mine are always under control.

Your dominance of the pack has to be reinforced at all times though, because they will quickly challenge for the top position.

 

[peanut]

Your dominance of the pack has to be reinforced at all times though, because they will quickly challenge for the top position.

yes they are quite cunning about it too.
Its a relentless day long process every single thing they do really . The key is to think like an animal. Why are they doing what they are .? what is it they are trying to achieve ? etc We always miss the body language because we think in human terms .

mrs Peanut tried to get our dobie to stop barking when she went out for a late night pee. Mrs P would give Shadow some biscuits if she didn't bark. pretty soon Shadow associated biscuits with going out for a pee and kept whineing to go out for a pee so she would get some biscuits doh

You're right about the pecking order being closely associated with eating order. That is absolutely key to dominance. Pack animals like dogs respect pecking order more than anything else. Its the easiest way to start establishing pack leadership

 

[snapper_37]

Why do the police need to get involved?

You need to see a good dog trainer.

Nuff said. But the other bloke still shoudn't have kicked out unless Michael's dog was being aggressive - which I believe it wasn't.