Anyone else had their flu jab yet?

[Daddy Pig]

That's the crooks of the matter @screenman
As i posted on page 1or 2 ive had Flu twice in 52 years of living.
Both times i couldn't even get up stairs ..i laid in bed or stayed on the couch and thought i was dying.

Most people have a cold and skive of work with a excuse of Flu ....

Do you know if he had to have a swine flu vaccination?

 

[Julia9054]

I can't waste too much time on this, especially pushing water uphill, when some minds are clearly closed, and some people unable to make a point or have their views questioned without getting offensive, but I will just conclude with this.

Study this history of medicine, and you'll find the the quacks of yesteryear are often proven right. Remember that medicine used to use leaches, that at various times Coca cola was a tonic, Guiness was good for you, as was smoking. Look at the history of the medical profession of prescribing drugs which later turn out to have severe side effects, after years or decades of denial or covering up, and the discrediting of those who try to break the truth.

Observe that in the USA addiction to prescription drugs is a massive problem, observe the ever changing narrative from drugs companies on vaccines - first it's one for life, then you need a top up, then another. Look at the standards of trials that vaccines are required to pass, compared to ordinary drugs.

And as for the "Mercola quackery' observe that for the past few decades, whilst we've been told we must eat processed foods low in saturated fat, we've seen an explosion in diabetes heart disease and other lifestyle diseases. Whilst we've seen a prevailing wisdom that we must slather ourselves in sunscreen containing known carcinogenic ingredients (but only a little so it's ok), we've seen a massive increase in cancer, and a return of rickets.

So if you really believe that you need to be injected annually, eat highly processed food, and slather toxic waste on your skin in order to venture out, then you're welcome to it. If you really think your milk must be forced through a tiny needle, in order to break down the size of the fat molecules, so they don't float (heaven forbid you should have to make the choice of whether to enjoy the cream, or shake the bottle to spread it out)

You're certainly a good citizen in terms of lapping up the marketing from the drugs companies, food processors, and pharmaceuticals, especially when you repeat all the social responsibility twaddle (I've never had a flu injection, never had flu, so never passed it on). If I was more cynical, reading some of the responses here, I'd be buying their company shares, since their brainwashing is clearly working really well!

The point of evidence based medicine is that conventional wisdom is changed when there is just that. Evidence.

 

[petek]

Guinness is good for you. In moderation.

 

[midlife]

The point of evidence based medicine is that conventional wisdom is changed when there is just that. Evidence.

Yep, and Cochrane does 'flu stuff as well..


http://www.cochraneprimarycare.org/...ffectiveness-influenza-vaccine-healthy-adults

 

[classic33]

Guinness is good for you. In moderation.

Not so sure of the vegan Guinness though.

 

[petek]

Not so sure of the vegan Guinness though.

There's a 'vegan' Guinness?
What fresh Hell is this?

 

[classic33]

There's a 'vegan' Guinness?
What fresh Hell is this?

You've probably supped it and never realised.

 

[Levo-Lon]

Do you know if he had to have a swine flu vaccination?

Well he is a lincs lad so maybe he has.. The fens flu jab is made from frog spawn

 

[Julia9054]

Yep, and Cochrane does 'flu stuff as well..


http://www.cochraneprimarycare.org/...ffectiveness-influenza-vaccine-healthy-adults

So to summarise this abstract, you have to vaccinate between 33 and 100 people to benefit 1 person
The side effects are a red, sore arm and the incidence of an extremely rare immune disorder rising from 10 - 20 cases per million to 11.6 - 21.6 cases per million.
The vaccine is not perfect and having it does not mean you definitely won't get flu - we all understand that but flu vaccination programmes still have some effectiveness and, based on these figures, still looks like it's worth having it

 

[PK99]

When I have some more time, I do a little bit more about Mercola. He’s very litigious and prone to suing anyone who points out he’s a liar, a fraud and a charlatan. He’s even tried suing people in the UK... but then got cold feet when put to the test.

Snake Oil salesmen use to peddle their wares from the back of a horse drawn wagon and their damage was limited by their range - one of the very scary things about the internet is the way the reach of such quackery is now extended and how it sucks in the gullible and vulnerable.

 

[Julia9054]

So to summarise this abstract, you have to vaccinate between 33 and 100 people to benefit 1 person
The side effects are a red, sore arm and the incidence of an extremely rare immune disorder rising from 10 - 20 cases per million to 11.6 - 21.6 cases per million.
The vaccine is not perfect and having it does not mean you definitely won't get flu - we all understand that but flu vaccination programmes still have some effectiveness and, based on these figures, still looks like it's worth having it

Forgot to add, this review of studies looked at healthy adults between the ages of 16 - 65. So not the target for U.K. based NHS vaccination programmes

 

[midlife]

So to summarise this abstract, you have to vaccinate between 33 and 100 people to benefit 1 person
The side effects are a red, sore arm and the incidence of an extremely rare immune disorder rising from 10 - 20 cases per million to 11.6 - 21.6 cases per million.
The vaccine is not perfect and having it does not mean you definitely won't get flu - we all understand that but vaccination programmes still have some effectiveness and, based on these figures, still looks like it's worth having it

If it was "worth it" then the govt would offer the vaccine free to everybody like MMR..... The vaccine works "best" in selected groups which is why those groups get it free. Tricky set of stats to work on though.

 

[petek]

That Spanish Flu was a killer. I read somewhere that more people in the UK died of that than did in WW1.

 

[Julia9054]

That Spanish Flu was a killer. I read somewhere that more people in the UK died of that than did in WW1.

And the majority of the deaths were in young, healthy adults

 

[Levo-Lon]

That Spanish Flu was a killer. I read somewhere that more people in the UK died of that than did in WW1.

Brexit will solve all that malarkey