Anyone gone car free?

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martint235

Dog on a bike
Location
Welling
I'm not totally convinced by the children argument. I'm one of 3 children and grew up on the outskirts of a small northern town with a bus to the centre once an hour. My parents never had a car and I don't think we suffered unduly. Certainly in London there seems to be a perception that anything over a mile is too far to walk with or without children.
 
I think it must be a lot harder to go car-free if you have children.
Will let you know in a few months... :smile:
 
Not over-sensitive (hence the little waving smiley :hello:), just my reaction to generalisations.

If it says stop there's a reason - so I stop.
My other half is an ambulance driver, and motoring fines would lose her the job. I follow her example.
Got to admit it leads to being tailgated a lot, but my conscience is clear.
Even more of a shock to some - I drive a BMW! :eek:
 

Ian Cooper

Expat Yorkshireman
I think it's time for some draconian law enforcement now.
I agree with Ian that the car is used by many as an extension of their desire to push people around. I'm an advocate of the lifetime ban.

I agree. I'd institute yearly driving tests too. As well as reducing traffic accidents and getting bad drivers off the roads (and potentially onto bikes) it would also create a lot of extra jobs.

But that will not happen in today's car-centric society. It may happen in my daughter's lifetime, after the coming oil shortages make driving much more costly and more obviously misanthropic, and as more and more people move closer to work and switch to cheaper and more sustainable methods of transportation.
 
I agree. I'd institute yearly driving tests too. As well as reducing traffic accidents and getting bad drivers off the roads (and potentially onto bikes) it would also create a lot of extra jobs.

But that will not happen in today's car-centric society. It may happen in my daughter's lifetime, after the coming oil shortages make driving much more costly and more obviously misanthropic, and as more and more people move closer to work and switch to cheaper and more sustainable methods of transportation.

I don't think retests are the answer. Like an MOT where the owner goes home and puts the farty exhaust and wooden wheel back on, it's only good on the day. The most lethal driver can behave for one hour a year. Retesting will remove the nervous and those with health-related problems.

Also, Jimmy Saville and 'clunk-click' changed seatbelt wearing, how about adverts on driving behaviour?
 

Ian Cooper

Expat Yorkshireman
I think it must be a lot harder to go car-free if you have children.
I don't find it in any way burdensome. I've been ferrying my daughter around - to kindergarten, to school, to her local events, to toy stores, to the grocery store, etc., for the last 5 years. Piece of cake! All you need is a baby seat, then a Trail-a-Bike (or a trailer if you have multiple kids). Now she's 9 and next school year, she'll be commuting on her own (separate) bike to school for the first time.

A big part of making it easier is choosing where to live wisely. Because I don't drive, we've always chosen our residences based on having all necessary amenities within two miles and having a major city within ten miles. This makes cycling everywhere a doddle.
 

Ian Cooper

Expat Yorkshireman
I don't think retests are the answer. Like an MOT where the owner goes home and puts the farty exhaust and wooden wheel back on, it's only good on the day. The most lethal driver can behave for one hour a year. Retesting will remove the nervous and those with health-related problems.

It works fine with pilots.

Also, Jimmy Saville and 'clunk-click' changed seatbelt wearing, how about adverts on driving behaviour?

British public information films did a great job in the 1970s, but that was when there were only three channels on TV, and often, because they were really well written, they were some of the most entertaining shows. Today, with hundreds of channels, they don't get anywhere near the same impact, and even if they could work with today's media, funding them in today's political environment would be next to impossible.

Here in the US, public information films have basically been relegated to the job of getting us to support wars and to be pro-American. They are little more than the propaganda wing of government. That's how the conservatives (and most of the liberals too) like it, and they won't countenance any funds spent on educating people - even if it would save lives. In today's anti-intellectual culture, education is seen as a Commie plot to indoctrinate people into Stalinism - I suspect it's a similar deal in the UK, since 'New Labour' effectively destroyed the progressive movement there.

Today, in order to have any sort of cultural impact, you have to get a film to go viral on the internet (like that Welsh one recently about texting while driving), and that's nowhere near as easy as having a captive audience, which was basically the case in the '70s.
 
Fat comes from eating and a lack of exercise. Car use removes a lot of the need for exercise. Some nutters even drive up to 5 miles to a gym, exercise there for an hour, then drive home, when cycling for an hour could accomplish the same in less time. Laziness may be inherent to certain people, but cycling mitigates it whereas car ownership feeds it. Again, my point was that car ownership feeds our worst habits and turns them deadly - that is the definition of evil.

Some of the language in this thread is approaching that of religious doctrine.

We are very, very evil, as we have three cars between two drivers... although I think we'll give up one and the third is an old 60s roadster we rarely use.

I love to cycle and am pleased that my children do, but I live in the sticks and we would find it very difficult to function as a family without the fast, secure, dry, warm, reliable and long-distance mobility offered by a car.

I ask the following out of curiosity and not to needle: Do you gain any benefit from your wife's ownership of a car? Groceries delivered? Lifts to and from events? Taking the lawn mower to be repaired? Collecting aged relatives from the station? Buying 20 litres of emulsion to paint the downstairs hall?

If so, it must be hard reconciling the very definition of evil with the point-and-squirt convenience it brings.

I ask the above in the likelihood that you derive no appreciable benefit from your wife's car. I'm just curious as I've never seen cars described in terms of good and evil before.
 

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
SWMBO has 'our' car. Ours in the sense that if there is owt wrong with it it is my job to sort it out. She drives to work in it. I got rid of my car in February having owned it for two-and-a-bit years before which I'd been car free for five years.
 

martint235

Dog on a bike
Location
Welling
I live in the sticks and we would find it very difficult to function as a family without the fast, secure, dry, warm, reliable and long-distance mobility offered by a car.
Would you though? Very difficult or just mildly inconvenient? My parents live out in the sticks. Nearest town is two miles walk away, nearest pub two miles in the opposite direction. On my recent visit I did a LOT of walking but I wouldn't say it was difficult or even inconvenient. My parents are both 85 and also don't seem to have any issues with not having a car.
 

lulubel

Über Member
Location
Malaga, Spain
Probably not. But would that be a bad thing?

Not fair. You beat me to it!

The most lethal driver can behave for one hour a year.

That doesn't mean they can steer without crossing their hands, though - not while remembering to signal, take the correct lane, check their mirrors, look behind while reversing, reverse slowly, and not cut anyone up (among other things).
 

lulubel

Über Member
Location
Malaga, Spain
I own a car, but it's spent the last 6 months sitting in the garage with a flat battery while I try to convince my OH we really don't need it any more and should sell it.

Does that count?
 
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