Apalling actions from an Arriva bus driver

[cd365]

Hannah smith... Get real, no one is telling Matthew T to top himself. We are pointing out that he is not blameless and he needs to think about his behaviour before he ends in the same place as poor Hannah. And your comment is very insulting to all those who have pointed out the possible consequences of his actions.

It's good to know you think there are different levels of internet bullying, to me bullying is bullying no matter the wording.
If you are insulted then maybe you think you are one of these bullys and will think about your words next time.

 

[Hip Priest]

I ask all of you internet bullys to have a good think before posting or you could have a Hannah Smith on your conscience.

What an absolutely horrible thing to say.

The abuse dished out to that poor girl was very real, and incredibly nasty. By comparing it with the criticism of Matt on here, you insult not only several Cycle Chat members, but also the family of Hannah Smith. I hope you're proud of yourself.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

If the net result of this is that the drivers get a thorough retraining, or are made to resit the theory part of the driving test, or are compelled to do bikeability courses, and it results in an satisfactory level of driving, then Matthew has done the whole of the area a very good turn.

 

[cd365]

I think this is a valid criticism in many ways. I imagine also that I am one of those bullies to whom you refer.

I think he may get to thirty and wish (more than he's ever wished anything in his life) that the whole Internet could be deleted.

I was pointing no fingers, just making an observation.

This internet age is a terrible and wonderful thing for today's youth.

 

[cd365]

What an absolutely horrible thing to say.

The abuse dished out to that poor girl was very real, and incredibly nasty. By comparing it with the criticism of Matt on here, you insult not only several Cycle Chat members, but also the family of Hannah Smith. I hope you're proud of yourself.

Bullying is bullying and I'm sure the family of Hannah Smith want all forms of internet bullying to stop, as do all the parents of children who have been affected by bullying.

 

[Hip Priest]

Bullying is bullying and I'm sure the family of Hannah Smith want all forms of internet bullying to stop, as do all the parents of children who have been affected by bullying.

But there is no bullying on this thread. There is support and there is criticism. I've had plenty of criticism myself on here, and whilst nobody enjoys being criticised, it certainly wasn't bullying.

 

[The Jogger]

If the net result of this is that the drivers get a thorough retraining, or are made to resit the theory part of the driving test, or are compelled to do bikeability courses, and it results in an satisfactory level of driving, then Matthew has done the whole of the area a very good turn.

And if it results in the sack as Matthew mentioned?

 

[The Jogger]

Bullying is bullying and I'm sure the family of Hannah Smith want all forms of internet bullying to stop, as do all the parents of children who have been affected by bullying.

Listen there is a big difference to disagreeing with someone's actions and bullying. Nearly everyone on here is mature enough to realise that.

 

[PK99]

I ask all of you internet bullys to have a good think before posting or you could have a Hannah Smith on your conscience.

if you think the comments here a bullying, you have led a very sheltered existence.

The critical comments are explicitly made with Matts best interests at heart.

A few years ago I was close passed and given the finger by a VW car carrying trade plates. I knew where he was heading - VW showroom a coupe of hundred yards round the corner. I rode there, went to reception and asked to see the most senior manager on site. When I was met with some hesitation/reluctance I asked if they would prefer me to make my complaint about their driver to the Manager or to the Police. A polite conversation with the manager ensued and the diver was called over and given a mild but public dressing down.

What do you think would be the best advice to Matt?

"Go on son!, You keep on doing what you are doing and stick up for yourself"

or to follow the pattern of behaviour I used?

 

[cd365]

But there is no bullying on this thread. There is support and there is criticism. I've had plenty of criticism myself on here, and whilst nobody enjoys being criticised, it certainly wasn't bullying.

I perceive it to be bullying and I don't think I am the only one who sees it that way and I am not talking about just this thread.

What about the having a poll to see if he is a nobber or not? Acceptible? Not in my eyes.

 

[cd365]

if you think the comments here a bullying, you have led a very sheltered existence.

The critical comments are explicitly made with Matts best interests at heart.

A few years ago I was close passed and given the finger by a VW car carrying trade plates. I knew where he was heading - VW showroom a coupe of hundred yards round the corner. I rode there, went to reception and asked to see the most senior manager on site. When I was met with some hesitation/reluctance I asked if they would prefer me to make my complaint about their driver to the Manager or to the Police. A polite conversation with the manager ensued and the diver was called over and given a mild but public dressing down.

What do you think would be the best advice to Matt?

"Go on son!, You keep on doing what you are doing and stick up for yourself"

or to follow the pattern of behaviour I used?

My existence has been far from sheltered.

How old was you when you did this? Like I said earlier Matthew will learn when and who to speak to.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

And if it results in the sack as Matthew mentioned?

That wouldn't be the best outcome but if he's contravened company rules and it's a dismissal contravention, then it wasn't Matthew who made him do it.

 

[The Jogger]

That wouldn't be the best outcome but if he's contravened company rules and it's a dismissal contravention, then it wasn't Matthew who made him do it.

I hear what you are saying but isn't it a case of this whole thing getting out of all proportion. How many of us have experienced this on our commute and just got on with it.

 

[PK99]

M
How old was you when you did this? Like I said earlier Matthew will learn when and who to speak to.

and will learn from the constructive criticism he requested in his original post

 

[Spinney]

I hear what you are saying but isn't it a case of this whole thing getting out of all proportion. How many of us have experienced this on our commute and just got on with it.

And how might general driving behaviour improve if more people were confronted with the error of their ways?

Yes, Matthew could have handled it differently (a bit more diplomatically), but if people wait until something has happened (an injury or a death) before pointing out poor driving, poor knowledge of the HC etc, then that is too late.

I have occasionally wished I had a helmet cam. I don't commute, I only cycle for fun, but I have had rides spoilt by someone frightening me or a companion with a close pass. I would love to have had video evidence, just so I could ask the local coppers if they could have a word.

No-doubt someone will tell me to just let it all wash over me and get on with the ride. Usually I do. But really, why shouldn't someone who has driven poorly be asked to mend their ways?