classic33
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If their safety systems are better, why are they involved in more incidents.
They are not the only EV manufacturer in the US.
Are we being forced to go electric?
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They are not the only EV manufacturer in the US.
Alex321
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IMO it is an "attitude" that is almost certain to get so much better it will disappear. I have no idea why you think it likely to get worse.
At the moment the charging points are not yet commonplace, and the cars are so expensive that not many outside management can afford them. So that attitude isn't really a problem. As EVs become the norm, and many more people will be looking to charge up, provision of charging points will become expected for all staff allowed to use the company car park - though I expect there will be a fee to be allowed to use them.
70% of vehicles with advanced drivers aids. Tesla have far more vehicles of this type compared to other manufacturers, so will have more incidents compared to those with fewer vehicles. The numbers were only in the hundreds. Tesla must have hundreds of thousands of cars on the road in the USA.
Edit I believe the numbers of Tesla in the USA is around 300,000 in 2021.
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Alex321
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Going by the number I see day to day, they probably have hundreds of thousands in the UK.
classic33
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Still more than the rest combined though. For the same type of incident(s).
Jenkins
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Points of order: No emissions while in use and very much more expensive to buy.
I've already explained how I made our Nissan Leaf effectively cost only £9K to buy with the running cost savings. The original forecourt price was mid twenties £26k
gbb
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Theres no doubt EVs can be made really cheap to run in some peoples circumstances, if you have solar panels and the possibility to charge at home..which inevitably means you have to have your own drive.
I live in an average estate, many many people here cant even park next to the house, Peterboroughs estate are mostly that way. Most people cant afford solar panels, according to recent statistics, most people (80%) havnt even got £500 in savings which illustrates the dire situation most people are in, i could buy solar panels tomorrow, cash, but i still couldnt charge a car without paying more to do so.
I can see a situation where say a part of a supermarket carpark could be taken over by rental EVs, walk there, take a car, return it later and pay, it may be a good option for irregular users but i dont feel confident for the future of most peoples affordable car ownership.
TBF our company which has in the last 5 years spent possibly £100 million in new factories is currently coming up to a bit of speed with EVs and solar panels. Its spending in excess of £1 million in our factory alone installing solar panels and more charge points...but the driver for the panels is energy cost saving, not charging EVs . The costs are very very considerable, if it rolled out more and more charge points (we currenly have only 4 chargers with maybe 300 parking spaces, those considerable costs just keep rising.
Those costs in industry alone will be passed on somehow...
I live in an average estate, many many people here cant even park next to the house, Peterboroughs estate are mostly that way. Most people cant afford solar panels, according to recent statistics, most people (80%) havnt even got £500 in savings which illustrates the dire situation most people are in, i could buy solar panels tomorrow, cash, but i still couldnt charge a car without paying more to do so.
I can see a situation where say a part of a supermarket carpark could be taken over by rental EVs, walk there, take a car, return it later and pay, it may be a good option for irregular users but i dont feel confident for the future of most peoples affordable car ownership.
TBF our company which has in the last 5 years spent possibly £100 million in new factories is currently coming up to a bit of speed with EVs and solar panels. Its spending in excess of £1 million in our factory alone installing solar panels and more charge points...but the driver for the panels is energy cost saving, not charging EVs . The costs are very very considerable, if it rolled out more and more charge points (we currenly have only 4 chargers with maybe 300 parking spaces, those considerable costs just keep rising.
Those costs in industry alone will be passed on somehow...
midlife
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I've already explained how I made our Nissan Leaf effectively cost only £9K to buy with the running cost savings. The original forecourt price was mid twenties £26k
I think I missed the post where I can buy a £26k car for £9k
There wasn't one. There was a post which you misunderstood.
Allow me to explain. When @crxandy said his £26k leaf effectively cost £9k what he mean was that the other £17k was what he would have spent on running costs such as petrol / diesel / tyres / brakes / servicing / ULEZ / congestion charges etc if he had purchased an ICE car.
Perhaps an analogy would help. You can buy an inkjet printer for £50 but the ink costs £100 a set. There was a time when you could buy a printer for £400 but the ink was £10 a set. So the cost is up front rather than ongoing. The inkjet seems cheap but you have spent more than it would have cost to buy the more expensive printer after you have used up 5 sets of ink. You then start to make substantial savings over the cheap printer if you purchased the more expensive printer.
Soon cars will be a just as great leap forward as well. 
Chislenko
Veteran
I'm even more confused now, apparently EV's don't have brakes and tyres!!
Regarding brakes on EVs. I hardly ever use them, the regen is so good at dealing with traffic flow speed fluctuations. Coming upto junctions too, I just lift off regen kicks in, and I feather the throttle to arrive without touching the brakes. I had to take a wheel off the wife's Tesla this week for a nail had got in it. The brakes pads look new, hardly any wear. The discs had no lip, on the outer edge-clear indicator on very little wear.
Re tyres. I would say that the rate of wear is no worse than any other car I have ever owned.
To say mileage is nearly 35k miles
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cougie uk
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You need to drive one. You hardly brake at all as the motor brakes and regenerates electric for you.
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Sadly you still need tyres but every car does.
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