Are we being forced to go electric?

[fossyant]

Not very successfully it seems…how many has he destroyed now?

Well he can swap them, it's what goes on after with tuning ...... On number three engine, two down - it's what the tuners do. If he didn't insist on the mapping, then I'm sure all would be OK. We said you are allowed to use the Aygo, but you aren't touching it...

He's not got number 3 engine working as he's working 6 days a week, long hours too, so it's Sunday only. He's got use of the Aygo, but I've said don't you dare touch it. Plan is for daughter to learn, then maybe she has it. Or sell at some point.

 

[CXRAndy]

Being picky I know, but how would the system know how much you were charging up by before you started charging?

You pay for petrol/diesel after filling up, unless you pay for a set amount. Will that be carried over to charging points.

You can set charge limits on lots of EVs or you can work out speed of charge by the kWatts being fed into the car.

I know my Nissan will charge at 20 miles per hour from a 7kW home charger. My Tesla 3 will do 27miles per hour. When supercharging I go by time, around 30-60 mins will raise charge to around 80%- vehicle dependant. You give your card details first and pay for only what you use in electric at public charging stations.

In the USA and parts of Europe you pay up front an amount and fill up (petrol). If you dont reach the price your card is refunded the difference

 

[fossyant]

We need more city electric cars... The Zoe is a nice car, but doesn't seem to sell like the city ICE cars. If a manufacturer could give us an Aygo leccy car for £15k new, then it would sell.

I've really considered a used Renault Zoe for work, free leccy. But... Cost was £7k, battery rental £70pm. Used ICE car much cheaper and 'fuel' worked out cheaper - even more so now with WFH. Leccy would have been OK for 5 days a week in work.

 

[fossyant]

I know my Nissan will charge at 20 miles per hour from a 7kW home charger. My Tesla 3 will do 27miles per hour.

So with a Nissan and a Tesla, that's £100k in tin box's that rusts eventually ? I won't spend that much on transport - I'll use my bike.

It's madness money. Leasing etc, massive outlay on a tin box ?

 

[CXRAndy]

So with a Nissan and a Tesla, that's £100k in tin box's that rusts eventually ? I won't spend that much on transport - I'll use my bike.

It's madness money. Leasing etc, massive outlay on a tin box ?

Oh I didnt include my model S too, so factor £200k

 

[vickster]

Oh I didnt include my model S too, so factor £200k

Company cars or self funded though?

 

[fossyant]

Oh I didnt include my model S too, so factor £200k

There you go then.... waste of earth resources....

 

[CXRAndy]

Company cars or self funded though?

Cash

 

[vickster]

Cash

Lucky you. Most people don’t have 200k to spend on cars!

 

[midlife]

The cost of EV's are outside most peoples budget. Sorry but unless they get cheaper. I do 'ownership' not lease - maybe it needs to be lease for leccy cars only. Lovely on your company car scheme......

Cars generally are a waste of money. Electric, even a bigger cost.

The government say that EV and ICE vehicles will reach equivalent costs in 7 years. Using the analogy that microwave ovens were very expensive at the start but with manufacturers using economies of scale they will become cheap utility items in the end.

 

[midlife]

Cash

Last car I bought this year cost under £4k which was all I could afford.....

 

[fossyant]

Take my sister. One little kid, they have a saloon and a middle sized SUV. She was consiering the bigger model next...WTF, only one kid. We manged fine with yaris for the kids and my old Primera for big trips.... Cars now are consumable bling items, and electric ones are the new 'trend'.

I convinced my wife I'd get back to commuting into the city centre by bike twice a week as we've got back from covid. I got my spine broke 6 years ago doing it by bike. That's the way forward, not leccy cars. So I do... the days I'm in, I cycle the canal network to work.

 

[fossyant]

Last car I bought this year cost under £4k which was all I could afford.....

We just bought a nice 65mpg plus run about for £2k.... just to save the cost of us running my son to work as his car is busted - saved me driving my old car in traffic when I could ride, and this cheapo is 3x more fuel efficient (6x more when you consider the return trips.

 

[FishFright]

We just bought a nice 65mpg plus run about for £2k.... just to save the cost of us running my son to work as his car is busted - saved me driving my old car in traffic when I could ride, and this cheapo is 3x more fuel efficient (6x more when you consider the return trips.

You could buy a decent bike or 2 for that and its even more efficient.

 

[midlife]

“there’s the rub” as Shakespeare wrote. It’s the cost of EV which is the main factor for most folk. I’m sure must on CC would swap to an EV if they could. I would, the people I bought this house off had an EV and there’s a charger point on the drive.