Are we being forced to go electric?

[icowden]

Just the SUV (aka stupid tank) has the gul wing doors. The other's normal doors. SUV, gul wing rears, normal front.

Two points of order.

• The Tesla X does not have gull wing doors, it has falcon wing doors.
• The Texla X and S are the most intelligent cars that money can buy. They have two AI chips which independently assess traffic and danger before combining their knowledge to choose the most appropriate action.

 

[icowden]

There's a few businesses that I have been to 'recycling' batteries. They crush them and then separate out the rarer metals for scrap, in a very crude, unenvironmentally friendly process.

Recycling batteries or recycling EV batteries?

https://www.drivingelectric.com/you...ic-car-battery-recycling-all-you-need-to-know

 

[Gunk]

Personally I think the Tesla bubble will burst, the X is now 10 years old and the big global manufacturers are producing better built, better looking alternatives.

 

[ClichéGuevara]

Recycling batteries or recycling EV batteries?

https://www.drivingelectric.com/you...ic-car-battery-recycling-all-you-need-to-know

EV batteries.

 

[icowden]

Personally I think the Tesla bubble will burst, the X is now 10 years old and the big global manufacturers are producing better built, better looking alternatives.

True but they are still light years behind what Tesla is trying to achieve, and most of the EVs I have seen fail to be innovative. Many have copied Tesla's ideas but they are still essentially ICE cars with a battery. Tesla sell more than double the number of EVs of their nearest rival.

In the USA in 2022 Q1Tesla sold over 110,000 cars. Their nearest rival is Kia with 8,000 sales and Ford with 7,000 sales.
https://electrek.co/2022/05/16/tesla-top-3-electric-cars-us/

Tesla has between 1.25 million and 3 million pre-orders for the Cybertruck.

There must be something special about a Tesla that a converted Audi just doesn't have...

 

[fossyant]

Two points of order.

• The Tesla X does not have gull wing doors, it has falcon wing doors.
• The Texla X and S are the most intelligent cars that money can buy. They have two AI chips which independently assess traffic and danger before combining their knowledge to choose the most appropriate action.

More marketing bollix. Falcon wings... jesus wept. AI chips, to make up for idiot drivers who can't drive a bloody car - it's why some cars have great NCAP test scores as a computer is there to make up for the idiot behind the wheel.

Still an overpriced tin box. Give me a pedal bike anyday.

 

[fossyant]

True but they are still light years behind what Tesla is trying to achieve, and most of the EVs I have seen fail to be innovative. Many have copied Tesla's ideas but they are still essentially ICE cars with a battery. Tesla sell more than double the number of EVs of their nearest rival.

In the USA in 2022 Q1Tesla sold over 110,000 cars. Their nearest rival is Kia with 8,000 sales and Ford with 7,000 sales.
https://electrek.co/2022/05/16/tesla-top-3-electric-cars-us/

Tesla has between 1.25 million and 3 million pre-orders for the Cybertruck.

There must be something special about a Tesla that a converted Audi just doesn't have...

'Sell' is another word for lease ! And 3m orders for a truck - this is why the world is going to ruin, why do we need to drive round in pick up trucks - ICE included ! Only farmers need one.

 

[Alex321]

'Sell' is another word for lease ! And 3m orders for a truck - this is why the world is going to ruin, why do we need to drive round in pick up trucks - ICE included ! Only farmers need one.

And builders, and tree surgeons, and various other trades which often need to carry significant but not massive loads.

And that three million is worldwide, with most of them being in North America. In fact you can no longer order it outside of the USA, Canada and Mexico.

 

[fossyant]

And builders, and tree surgeons, and various other trades which often need to carry significant but not massive loads.

And that three million is worldwide, with most of them being in North America. In fact you can no longer order it outside of the USA, Canada and Mexico.

That's Americans for you, no taste and iust destroy the planet.

 

[FishFright]

There's a few businesses that I have been to 'recycling' batteries. They crush them and then separate out the rarer metals for scrap, in a very crude, unenvironmentally friendly process.

There's loads of companies recycling the packs by either the replacing the cells which are down and by reselling the good cells for other purposes. Now it's only a multi million pound industry but soon it will be in billions.

 

[DRM]

But you don't think that the battery will get re-used?

They may well get recycled, there’s a few companies that buy Lead Acid traction batteries, they scrap the dud cells, the good ones are used to refurbish batteries for older equipment where it’s not economically viable to fit a new battery, but stops a perfectly usable machine getting scrapped because of a worn out battery, it doesn’t take much to imagine that someone will do the same with Li-ion cells, which will give older EV’s a longer life span, I also think that there’ll be a viable aftermarket trade in upgrading batteries to more Kw/h’s just as there are companies that specialize in tune ICE vehicles

 

[DRM]

There's a few businesses that I have been to 'recycling' batteries. They crush them and then separate out the rarer metals for scrap, in a very crude, unenvironmentally friendly process.

Got to agree, there was one a couple of miles from me, they basically drain the electrolyte, break open the casing, separated the lead plates from the separator plates, crushed the plastic and the lead went to be melted down to ingots, the staff were regularly tested for lead poisoning, 3 lots of lead poisoning and you were gone, as they said it was then past a safe exposure level!

 

[CXRAndy]

Older Lithium car cells have a long afterlife being used as solar backup systems. The rapid load demands are not required for inverters.

Vehicle to grid will be standard feature of EVs in the coming years . My Leaf has the capability now😉

 

[Illaveago]

I was having a think the other day . I was on a trip over to the Dartford area and on the way stopped off at several motorway services . Membury on the M4 had 2 charging points which were in use . The cars were still there after my pit stop . I can't remember seeing any places at the other services on the way . On the way back we stopped off at Newbury on the M3 . Here there were 12 Tesla charging points which will be put into use in the future .
I'm wondering as more petrol filling stations start to put charging points in will they gradually replace fuel pumps ?
My next thought was surely this will become uneconomical for the filling stations ? Filling up an ICE fuel tank with fuel takes less than 5 minutes . So on a busy day the filling station can serve a lot of customers . Now EV's take longer to charge , so the number of customers during a day will be a lot lower and so turnover will be lower . The filling stations won't be able to charge too much as people can charge at home . The idea that people will be able to spend their time shopping or doing leisure activities whilst charging seems to be pie in the sky! If queues are forming with people waiting to charge their vehicles whilst other people are swanning around staying longer than necessary this will lead to frustration and anger .
To me it just seems that the whole thing hasn't been thoroughly thought through !

 

[figbat]

I was having a think the other day . I was on a trip over to the Dartford area and on the way stopped off at several motorway services . Membury on the M4 had 2 charging points which were in use . The cars were still there after my pit stop . I can't remember seeing any places at the other services on the way . On the way back we stopped off at Newbury on the M3 . Here there were 12 Tesla charging points which will be put into use in the future .
I'm wondering as more petrol filling stations start to put charging points in will they gradually replace fuel pumps ?
My next thought was surely this will become uneconomical for the filling stations ? Filling up an ICE fuel tank with fuel takes less than 5 minutes . So on a busy day the filling station can serve a lot of customers . Now EV's take longer to charge , so the number of customers during a day will be a lot lower and so turnover will be lower . The filling stations won't be able to charge too much as people can charge at home . The idea that people will be able to spend their time shopping or doing leisure activities whilst charging seems to be pie in the sky! If queues are forming with people waiting to charge their vehicles whilst other people are swanning around staying longer than necessary this will lead to frustration and anger .
To me it just seems that the whole thing hasn't been thoroughly thought through !

Newbury isn’t on the M3…??

Anyway, the economics will change. Whilst the income from charging may differ compared to from fuel, there will be more income from co-located businesses and franchises such as coffee and food outlets, because charging a car is something you ideally do whilst doing something else (generally spending money). And just like fuel on motorways, I see no reason why they can’t charge more for power on major routes regardless of home charging - if you need power you’ll pay for it. There are also a lot more subscription models for charging, meaning the suppliers are making a steady monthly income even if you don’t charge.