Are we being forced to go electric?

[rogerzilla]

After waiting a year for an e-Corsa, my mother has blown them off and bought a Suzuki Ignis for around half the price, which she can have in a few days because it's straight from the showroom floor. Just needs registering and PDI.

 

[CXRAndy]

My dream next car/camper...
The girlfriend is not as keen
Saw my first one in the flesh the other day too, other than the stupidly limited range and the exorbitant price tag it's great!
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I saw one last week near Nottingham, pretty quick acceleration. Shame they didn't put a bigger battery in it

 

[icowden]

After waiting a year for an e-Corsa, my mother has blown them off and bought a Suzuki Ignis for around half the price, which she can have in a few days because it's straight from the showroom floor. Just needs registering and PDI.

Looks like Vauxhall have had major supply issues. 12 to 14 months is not uncommon by the look of it - so she might have been close to delivery.

 

[icowden]

Saw my first one in the flesh the other day too, other than the stupidly limited range and the exorbitant price tag it's great!

258 miles isn't *that* stupidly limited. Keep lusting though - the proper campervan version is in development!

 

[CXRAndy]

After waiting a year for an e-Corsa, my mother has blown them off and bought a Suzuki Ignis for around half the price, which she can have in a few days because it's straight from the showroom floor. Just needs registering and PDI.

Stellantis who own Vauxhall as well as many other brands are not tooled up to make EVs.

They are in a downward spiral of trying to protect their ICE products to fund their late appearance to the BEV revolution.

There lay the problem, dwindling sales of ICE won't fund the massive costs of retooling production plants.

Jeep has gone bust in China in the last 6 months.

Expect well known brands to disappear in the near future through lack of seeing the public wanting BEVs


View: https://youtu.be/m_CMpwE7hP4

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/12/2...goating-electric-vehicles-come-on-stellantis/

 

[FishFright]

Only people round our neck of the woods in a G-Wagon seem to be drug dealers, I just don’t get buying one of those 6.3 Litre V8 ones, with road tyres, it’s like spending in excess of £150k on a pedigree bull, then having it castrated, as for those super cars, again on hire for Asian weddings for Everyman & his dog to thrash round in

For the same reason that Rangers Rovers are overweight luxo lumps on 22" wheels and skinny tyres, it's all about the life style.

I don't like either of them myself but they sell in large enough numbers to be profitable.

 

[simongt]

Latest 'claim / worry' but 'those in the know' is that the greater combined individual weights of EVs over ICE vehicles will cause issues with the construction integrity of existing multi storey car parks.
Hmm.

 

[Alex321]

Latest 'claim / worry' but 'those in the know' is that the greater combined individual weights of EVs over ICE vehicles will cause issues with the construction integrity of existing multi storey car parks.
Hmm.

Not too sure about that. Most of the multi-story car parks built in the 60's and 70's are still standing, but average car sizes & weights have increased massively since then.

 

[CXRAndy]

Latest 'claim / worry' but 'those in the know' is that the greater combined individual weights of EVs over ICE vehicles will cause issues with the construction integrity of existing multi storey car parks.
Hmm.

Best ban all ICE until they have upgraded the buildings. There's only a few BEV's on the roads

 

[CXRAndy]

Not too sure about that. Most of the multi-story car parks built in the 60's and 70's are still standing, but average car sizes & weights have increased massively since then.

Plus they've squeezed more vehicles into these multi storey carparks, narrowing parking bays

 

[simongt]

Plus they've squeezed more vehicles into these multi storey carparks, narrowing parking bays

Or is it simply that cars have become bigger in recent years, thus car parking spaces appear smaller but it's the car which is bigger thus making the space APPEAR smaller - ? The modern so called Mini is a case in point.
Most folk who have garages don't use them, partly because cars are now too wide to fit in them and said garages still appear to be of a sixty + year old measurement. Making them wider hasn't been addressed yet, especially with the ones that are integral to a house as this would require the whole house dimensions to be reassessed.

 

[tyred]

Keep a car in the garage? What sort of crazy idea is that? Garages are for storing all sorts of worthless rubbish you will never need.

 

[simongt]

Garages are for storing all sorts of worthless rubbish you will never need.

Indeed. I once dated a lass who's house had a double garage that was so full of 'stuff' that she couldn't even get her '89 Fiesta in it - !

 

[cougie uk]

Keep a car in the garage? What sort of crazy idea is that? Garages are for storing all sorts of worthless rubbish you will never need.

Don't you DARE talk about my bike collection like that !!

 

[youngoldbloke]

Don't you DARE talk about my bike collection like that !!

Indeed! I wouldn't dream of putting the car in the garage. We have a large double garage and it's for working on bikes and for storing bikes, as is the study!