Angelfishsolo
A Velocipedian
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Are wolf-dogs legal?
- Thread starter XmisterIS
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Lisa21
Mooching.............
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- North Wales
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Married to Night Train
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- Salford, UK
To be fair, I don't think that anyone saying "What if it bit a child?" is thinking of the dog's welfare, but the child's, because a) a child is more vulnerable (face may be at dog's height, any wounds will be proportionately bigger) and b) a child is less likely to know how to defuse any situation - panicing and running screaming is probably just going to excite a dog more. I'm not saying of course that all adults would deal with it better, but they might be better able to defend themselves.
Yes, it's sad when a dog has been spoilt, and pays with it's life, but most people are, understandably, people focussed.
Man up! it's just a wolf.
i found a half wolf/half dog once, thought it looked a bit gangly but didn't think much of it at the time. brought it home and rang the owner. she told me when she picked him up he was half wolf. he was bloody lovely and very friendly.
human's aren't a wolves natural prey anyway. in fact, there's a guy in america or canada that lives with a pack.
sounds to me like the dog was just playing with ya, and you were being a wuss. my terrier sounds worse than that dog. lol, he'd have your leg off!
i found a half wolf/half dog once, thought it looked a bit gangly but didn't think much of it at the time. brought it home and rang the owner. she told me when she picked him up he was half wolf. he was bloody lovely and very friendly.
human's aren't a wolves natural prey anyway. in fact, there's a guy in america or canada that lives with a pack.
sounds to me like the dog was just playing with ya, and you were being a wuss. my terrier sounds worse than that dog. lol, he'd have your leg off!
Cubist
Still wavin'
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- Ovver 'thill
A friend of mine trains HPR gundogs, but an amount of the training he does can be generically applied to many other breeds. Two particular techniques spring to mind here following the "Alpha Male dominance" debate, and those are eye contact and a quick nip to the hindquarters.
He explains that in many breeds a pack leader will use a stare to subdue a boisterous youngster, and a human owner can bring this to bear by giving an almost exaggerated hard stare.
The nip on the hindquarters perhaps shows an awful lot more insight than those who would advocate physical punishment or subjugation by beating or wrestling the dog onto its back. He explains that a mother dog, or sometimes a pack leader will nip a misbehaving pup or youngster to bring it in line. That nip is not a dangerous sinking in of the teeth, but simply a brief contact with the hindquarters which gives a brief sensation of contact, but more shock that pain.
He replicates it by giving a nip with the extended fingers of his hand, imagine if you will a peck with an imaginary glove puppet. That brief contact is more chastisement than punishment, and reminds the youngster of its (and therefore your) status. It can be used to reinforce a command where the dog knows full well what you want it to do, but has chosen to test your boundaries on this occasion.
Whether pecking XmisterIs's wolfbeast with an imaginary glove puppet will result in success or a visit to A&E will remain, I suspect, untested.
He explains that in many breeds a pack leader will use a stare to subdue a boisterous youngster, and a human owner can bring this to bear by giving an almost exaggerated hard stare.
The nip on the hindquarters perhaps shows an awful lot more insight than those who would advocate physical punishment or subjugation by beating or wrestling the dog onto its back. He explains that a mother dog, or sometimes a pack leader will nip a misbehaving pup or youngster to bring it in line. That nip is not a dangerous sinking in of the teeth, but simply a brief contact with the hindquarters which gives a brief sensation of contact, but more shock that pain.
He replicates it by giving a nip with the extended fingers of his hand, imagine if you will a peck with an imaginary glove puppet. That brief contact is more chastisement than punishment, and reminds the youngster of its (and therefore your) status. It can be used to reinforce a command where the dog knows full well what you want it to do, but has chosen to test your boundaries on this occasion.
Whether pecking XmisterIs's wolfbeast with an imaginary glove puppet will result in success or a visit to A&E will remain, I suspect, untested.
Cletus Van Damme
Previously known as Cheesney Hawks
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- Out in the sticks...
Sounds like a very scary experience. I love dogs and I really like the look of Husky's etc. Still I am not sure that I would own something that is so close to a wild animal. I used to not give a shoot and stroke any dog until one day I did it to an Alsatian tied up outside a petrol station. It nearly took my hand off and I just managed to get my hand away in time and it's leash stopped it from getting me. I have also had a bad experience with a rottweiler that was a guard dog at a friends garage, again it's restraining leash stopped it from getting me. Your mate sounds a bit stupid and it should be wearing a muzzle.
Some people are totally dumb with dogs. Last year I was walking along a shared cycle path with my daughter whom was about 14 months old at the time and I noticed a chav whom had 2 large dogs, one was a massive rottweiler that came bounding up to my daughter before I had time to pick her up, it just sniffed her but I shoot myself. If I had said to the chav that that thing should be on a lead he would of probably told me to fcuk off as he looked very rough. Probably a harmless dog, but if I owned such a dog (which I personally would not, although I know they can be lovely dogs) I would always keep it on a lead and muzzle it just because of what joe public's perception is of such dogs. Also if a normally placid large dog or bull terrier decides to have a mad moment with a child I guess it could be to late.
Some people are totally dumb with dogs. Last year I was walking along a shared cycle path with my daughter whom was about 14 months old at the time and I noticed a chav whom had 2 large dogs, one was a massive rottweiler that came bounding up to my daughter before I had time to pick her up, it just sniffed her but I shoot myself. If I had said to the chav that that thing should be on a lead he would of probably told me to fcuk off as he looked very rough. Probably a harmless dog, but if I owned such a dog (which I personally would not, although I know they can be lovely dogs) I would always keep it on a lead and muzzle it just because of what joe public's perception is of such dogs. Also if a normally placid large dog or bull terrier decides to have a mad moment with a child I guess it could be to late.
Panter
Just call me Chris...
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- Sittingbourne, Kent
Would you really muzzle a friendly Rottie all of the time, just because of how it looks?
Chromatic
Legendary Member
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- Gloucestershire
I got attacked many years ago by an Alsation. I can't remember how old I was, I suppose I was about 12 13 or 14, something like that. I was walking home alone from playing football with mates when, as I approached a house with the front door open, the alsation came charging out of the house, across the front garden and just came right at me. At the last split second as it leapt up at me I turned my shoulder towards it and it sunk it's teeth into me at the top of the arm. I may be a bit melodramatic in saying it went for my throat but if I hadn't turned my shoulder towards it that's where it seemed like it would have got me. That put me off dogs for a while, I can tell you.
As far as I remember nothing was ever done about it, today I imagine that dog may have been destroyed.
Ravenbait
Someone's imaginary friend
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- The Seventh Level of Hell
I was bitten by a cocker spaniel, once. I don't imagine anyone would suggest muzzling them just in case.
Sam
Sam
swee'pea99
Squire
I got bit by a corgi. (No, not Hers.) God but it hurt! No puncture wounds, thank god - this was an o-o-old dog with nominal teeth at best - but I had a helluva bruise for weeks.
Any dog can have that affect on people, even the Labrador I own has had people raising their arms in panic. To me he's being friendly, to him he's checking for treats and to another he's advancing menancingly ready to sink his teeth in and kill. I just watch people's reactions to his approach carefully and err on the side of caution, caution to others reactions, not caution to him being a killer dog, he's not. I've fulfilled my obligations by having a trained, socialised, friendly dog but I can't legislate for others reactions to him, nor do I over agonise about it, that's life.
Cletus Van Damme
Previously known as Cheesney Hawks
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- Out in the sticks...
Probably not all the time, but maybe out on walks. And to be honest I never really gave it that much thought until I had kids and thought about the potential damage such a powerful dog could inflict on somebody so small. I have also been bitten by a Cocker Spaniel too when I was younger delivering papers. I guess the responsibility should lie with the owners whether to muzzle a dog regardless of what breed it is. I guess the owner know's if the dog is prone to biting people or other dogs or not. I guess it is maybe the media's fault for portraying certain types of dogs as potential killers due to the odd incident. Like the dog mentioned in this thread it is nearly always the owner that is responsible for not controlling their pets. I guess this is the reason that I am uncomfortable when dogs (more so the breeds with a bad rep due to the media) that I do not know are around my daughter.
But as the original poster mentioned about the dog in question, the owner is a bit of a knob whom does not see any problems with his pet. If all people were responsible and controlled their unruly pets it would not be a problem. Unfortunately a small minority of people are not.
Panter
Just call me Chris...
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- Sittingbourne, Kent
That's fair enough, but it's not right to muzzle a dog just because of it's perception. Anyway, even the most mild mannered lab looks a little Hannibal Lecter if wearing a baskerville type muzzle let alone a Rottweiler! that does nothing for their image.
Just a point, it's a seriously bad idea to approach any dog that's tied up anywhere. They do react differently when they have nowhere to go and in any case, you should always check with the owner before approaching a dog. Some just don't like other people!
Just a point, it's a seriously bad idea to approach any dog that's tied up anywhere. They do react differently when they have nowhere to go and in any case, you should always check with the owner before approaching a dog. Some just don't like other people!
Stephenite
Membå
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- OslO
Talk is cheap!
I came across a wolf* once. And I almost pooed myself. I was living in a scarcely populated part of Norway (where it is just forest for several days walk in all directions) and went out one evening, at about 7pm, for a few hours of cross-country skiing. Well.. it was soon pitch black and began to snow. No moon, either. I went further than i'd intended and soon got lost. So i sat down to have a think about the map i'd seen earlier in the day, hoping to get my bearings. By now, the snow had covered my tracks and was coming down thicker and thicker. I reckoned i'd come to such and such a point and would be able to complete a triangle (and thus get home quicker) by going a certain way.
It didn't go according to plan and, after a while, i was more lost. More lost, in that now i didn't know whether to go left, right, straight on or back. I was exhausted as i'd been skiing for several hours. It was pitch black and snowing. I couldn't see for more than a few yards in any direction. I was tired, hungry and thirsty, and had to get up for work early in the morning. The thrill of the adventure was wearing thin. Hope! There was a very faint orange glow above the trees off to the right. The low cloud must be reflecting the street lamps of Gjøvik and/or Hamar! So i headed roughly towards this faint glow knowing i'd come out of the forest sooner or later. It was just a matter of keeping on going.
Another hour or so went by, and coming up a short incline a heard a 'Woof!' close by off in the darkness ahead and to the right. This is wolf country. Whilst, normally, i'm a sensible chap, and have read that wolves are more afraid of humans than we are of them, and they never attack without a very good reason (like being hungry for example). At this moment I was more of a disoriented, exhausted and weak Mancunian, in a boreal, snow-decked forest in the middle of the night faced with one of nature's most cunning and merciless hunters. I stopped dead. Shivers went up my spine. I shouted a loud 'Oi!' and put my skiing poles together, and held them ready to fend off the beast. Waited.. Nothing.. Waited some more.. Silence.. I couldn't wait around to become dinner anymore. So i moved off slowly keeping my eyes and ears peeled, with my sticks raised. I began to sing "Show me the way to go home" figuring that the Wolf or Wolves would be detered by the sound of a human voice. After a while I picked up speed (if you've seen me skiing 'speed' isn't the right word) imagining the beast/s just on my back. It took me another hour to get back to somewhere i recognised, and i'd sung all the way. I'd been thoroughly exhausted and didn't know how long i could carry on but, after the encounter, i'd found the inner reserves of strength that we all have buried deep away. I'd magically improved my braking and turning too. I arrived at work the next day late.
I can understand the OP's concerns. Fear and danger is a matter of perception. I think he should impress upon the owner his concern, and if the OP doesn't report the dog this time the next person might well do.
* A workmate phoned a hunter friend of theirs and he reckoned it was a roedeer. But to my dying day the story will remain one of man vs. the primeval.
asterix
Comrade Member
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You sure you are not Private Fraser from Dad's Army?
