Argument with a polis

[Miquel In De Rain]

Just a thought & I'm not condoning criminal damage here but...

Cyclists generally don't go out of their way to confront drivers because the driver has the upper hand being in the vehicle. If all cyclists retaliated in the same way Mickle did, maybe drivers would think twice about close passes etc.

I must admit it ruined my day,yesterday confronting Mr AA,I was trying to stop that,but when I watched the two videos I could see I was right and his driving was appalling.What made it worse was the fact Mr AA didn't have a clue why I was annoyed.


Another thing is that the bad drivers are continually allowed to drive and nothing is done so half the time I end up in situations like I did last night.

 

[spen666]

Obviously "de minimis" doesn't mean as much as I thought it did

de minimis is not relevnt to criminal law

 

[spen666]

Just a thought & I'm not condoning criminal damage here but...

Cyclists generally don't go out of their way to confront drivers because the driver has the upper hand being in the vehicle. If all cyclists retaliated in the same way Mickle did, maybe drivers would think twice about close passes etc.

I mean, it's been said over & over again on here that cyclists should leave drivers alone & not try & 'educate' them. Whether this is correct, is another matter.
What if cyclists always retaliated? Would motorists think, 'better give them the correct space when passing or they'll twat my pride & joy'!

What if all motorists and pedestrians used physical force against cyclists or their bikes everytime the motorist or pedestrian was upset at something a cyclist has done or been perceived to have done?

Not acceptable?


So why should it be acceptable to do this as cyclists to motorists?


The OP broke the law and was given a warning by the police - what is there to complain about in that?

The motorist showed some decency in admitting their wrongdoing and asking the police not to take action against the OP.

Sadly, the OP can't seem to realise his actions were also wrong and complains they got told off for doing wrong. Amazingly we have a sad reflection on modern society with people defending the violent actions of the op and complaining about the police doing their legal duty and ensuring there is no breach of the police.

As I have said on this forum before - every group complains about the law breaking of other groups and demands the police do something about that whilst justifying or condoning their own groups law breaking.

 

[rusky]

So you reprimand every driver that passes too close/cuts you up/forces you off the road.

How does that work for you?

 

[Miquel In De Rain]

Not acceptable?


Amazingly we have a sad reflection on modern society with people defending the violent actions of the op and complaining about the police doing their legal duty and ensuring there is no breach of the police.

I understand why the OP did it although I have never done it myself.If I did I would expect some sort of retaliation.Even having a moan is not without it's risks.

 

[Crankarm]

What if all motorists and pedestrians used physical force against cyclists or their bikes everytime the motorist or pedestrian was upset at something a cyclist has done or been perceived to have done?

Not acceptable?


So why should it be acceptable to do this as cyclists to motorists?


The OP broke the law and was given a warning by the police - what is there to complain about in that?

The motorist showed some decency in admitting their wrongdoing and asking the police not to take action against the OP.

Sadly, the OP can't seem to realise his actions were also wrong and complains they got told off for doing wrong. Amazingly we have a sad reflection on modern society with people defending the violent actions of the op and complaining about the police doing their legal duty and ensuring there is no breach of the police.

As I have said on this forum before - every group complains about the law breaking of other groups and demands the police do something about that whilst justifying or condoning their own groups law breaking.

And you conveniently haven't addressed my questions to you.

 

[spen666]

And you conveniently haven't addressed my questions to you.

I have answered the question earlier on in my earlier posts. I was specific in what I wrote.

Self defence is a clear legal principle and is different from post event revenge or rage.

 

[BentMikey]

With my taxi at Victoria incident, two of the PoPo [1] asked me if I was still filming, and could I stop. I was like "No, sorry, I can't do that." I did also reassure them that I wouldn't be putting them on the tube, but that cost me some credibility points with them.


[1] Not derogatory IMO, and not intended to be.

 

[Miquel In De Rain]

How did you get on with that BM?

 

[spen666]

With my taxi at Victoria incident, two of the PoPo [1] asked me if I was still filming, and could I stop. I was like "No, sorry, I can't do that." I did also reassure them that I wouldn't be putting them on the tube, but that cost me some credibility points with them.


[1] Not derogatory IMO, and not intended to be.

Popo?????


Good on you for refusing to stop filming. If not on private land no one has right per se to tell you to stop filming

 

[BentMikey]

Apparently it comes from somewhere in California, where police would patrol in pairs, each with PO (Police Officer) on their kit. Hence Popo.

 

[400bhp]

What if all motorists and pedestrians used physical force against cyclists or their bikes everytime the motorist or pedestrian was upset at something a cyclist has done or been perceived to have done?

Not acceptable?


So why should it be acceptable to do this as cyclists to motorists?


The OP broke the law and was given a warning by the police - what is there to complain about in that?

The motorist showed some decency in admitting their wrongdoing and asking the police not to take action against the OP.

Sadly, the OP can't seem to realise his actions were also wrong and complains they got told off for doing wrong. Amazingly we have a sad reflection on modern society with people defending the violent actions of the op and complaining about the police doing their legal duty and ensuring there is no breach of the police.

As I have said on this forum before - every group complains about the law breaking of other groups and demands the police do something about that whilst justifying or condoning their own groups law breaking.

If you really are a lawyer, then perhaps reflect on your post above

Amazingly we have a sad reflection on modern society with lawyers defending violent actions by criminals and getting paid handsomely for it.

 

[spen666]

what exactly do you want me to reflect on?

Am I wrong to think it a sad reflection that people are justifying violent actions?
Is it wrong to think it sad that people condemn the police for taking actions to deal with potential breaches of the peace?

Perhaps you prefer a world where violent behaviour is acceptable ( against an old lady no less in this case) and the police take no action and just watch it happen?

 

[spen666]

Apparently it comes from somewhere in California, where police would patrol in pairs, each with PO (Police Officer) on their kit. Hence Popo.

I never knew that - will ask the Californian Police next month on the Police Unity Tour ride

Thanks for the explanation

 

[Crankarm]

what exactly do you want me to reflect on?

Am I wrong to think it a sad reflection that people are justifying violent actions?
Is it wrong to think it sad that people condemn the police for taking actions to deal with potential breaches of the peace?

Perhaps you prefer a world where violent behaviour is acceptable ( against an old lady no less in this case) and the police take no action and just watch it happen?

Errrr ....... I think you are being a little melodramatic and exaggerating what actually took place. I fail to see how you have concluded that the OP's conduct was violent behaviour against an old lady which suggests an assault which it was not. You started off claiming it was criminal damage even though it was made clear that NO DAMAGE was actually done. Oh dear. I don't believe there is an offence of assaulting a car as a car is property not a person.