Attacks on Brussels

[Accy cyclist]

How will the flower tramplers' agressive actions stop the rise of aggressive Islam?

How will the flower layers actions stop the Islamists?

 

[Dayvo]

Ah so you've made it up about the cenotaph?

No, I didn't make it up. I suggested that you WOULD probably approve IF that kind of behaviour was carried out by your peace-loving, hippy thugs.

 

[Dayvo]

How will the flower layers actions stop the Islamists?

The people who lay the flowers want to show respect at the loss of life for their fellow human beings, countrymen, friends, relatives.

Is that so hard for you to grasp?

 

[ufkacbln]

[QUOTE 4213343, member: 45"]I'm amazed that anyone can read that and honestly accept everything anything that Hopkins claims.[/QUOTE]

FTFY

I love this one:

In Cologne, 150 officers were sent to police the migrant attacks on women on New Years Eve, resulting in 676 criminal complaints being filed. In comparison, 1700 riot police with water cannon were sent to stop a subsequent Pegida march through the city.

It doesn't require a lot of intelligence to understand the difference between responding to an incident with limited resources and planning for an organised event with a proven history of civil disturbance and violence, but apparently it is beyond our Katie


Edited... Can I award myself a TMN?

 

[ufkacbln]

Well she gets a positive response from the green arrows in the comments section.

A group of bigots have their limited agenda reinforced by another bigot ....... hardly difficult to work that one out surely?

 

[Accy cyclist]

The people who lay the flowers want to show respect at the loss of life for their fellow human beings, countrymen, friends, relatives.

Is that so hard for you to grasp?

Well they'd better get used to buying flowers because these attacks aren't going to stop. Once again the focus of this thread is distracted by talking about the flowers, not the attacks which killed at least 34.

 

[Accy cyclist]

A group of bigots have their limited agenda reinforced by another bigot ....... hardly difficult to work that one out surely?

Bigot must be the second most overused word these days. "Racist" being the most overused.

 

[Accy cyclist]

[QUOTE 4213393, member: 259"]So what would you call these bigots?[/QUOTE]

Can i ask you where you live?

 

[ufkacbln]

Well they'd better get used to buying flowers because these attacks aren't going to stop. Once again the focus of this thread is distracted by talking about the flowers, not the attacks which killed at least 34.

It is the small things that make the differences and do actually undermine the terrorist agenda

A memorial event that combines communities is positive and achieves the exact opposite of what the terrorists wish to achieve.

The focus is on exactly that, it is not the flowers that are the focus, but the extremists who tried to terrorise thise who were laying them and destroy them

One group of extremists used violence when they inflicted the original atrocity, another group of extremists further insulted those who had died and those who wished to achieve something with an act of violence

Both groups are unacceptable, and the actions of both need to be addressed.

Both see an integrated community event as a threat to their agenda and there is very little difference in their aim to split the community through acts of violence

 

[ufkacbln]

[QUOTE 4213393, member: 259"]So what would you call these bigots?[/QUOTE]

You can cell them Goldfish, Albatross or Ducks... or kitchen utensils

The point that will be deliberately avoided is that the green arrows for Ms Hopkins are the result of a group of kitchen utensils having theri limited agenda reinforced by another kitchen utensil and therefore feeling vindicated and their beliefs confirmed

 

[ufkacbln]

This has been posted before and is slightly dated. Events have changed. It still talks a lot of sense



The last few lines ironically apply to the "peaceful flower tramplers"

 

[jhawk]

@Accy cyclist How would you deal with the Islamic State, then?

You do realise that what we're fighting against is (in Europe), an insurgency... Which means that the enemy is undefined and unclear, profiling doesn't work, because terrorists don't have a profile.

And the bombs that we've dropped on them so far, aren't working - obviously - because they're still capable of carrying out atrocities. So, if you accept that ISIS' is more than just a group of rag-tag terrorists, that it is, in fact, the manifestation of a poisonous ideology (Islamism), then you must also accept that you cannot bomb that out of existence. Just as we've not bombed Nazism out of existence, nor homophobia nor racism - but it is now wildly unpopular to hold such views. We need to come up with a different, more comprehensive strategy, define who we're fighting against, recognise that there has to be a differentiation between Islam and Islamism, and where that difference doesn't exist, it must be created. We also must have the Muslim community's support on this - and trampling flowers and doing Nazi salutes and propagating anti-Muslim bigotry does nothing but hinder progress.

You're right when you say that regressive liberalism is a problem - Regression inspires Aggression which hinders Progression.

 

[Flying_Monkey]

[QUOTE 4213405, member: 259"]Yes, you may. I live in Belgium. I only know one person who was injured in the attacks, though.[/QUOTE]

Well, that appears to have shut him up. I hope your friend is recovering.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

FWIW, I think the reason Britain has been relatively unscathed by Islamist terrorism in recent years, with many plots foiled and deterred is because we're more integrated as a community than those on the continent. Areas in Brussels, Paris, Marseilles and elsewhere appear to effectively be Muslim ghettos with extremely high youth unemployment, high crime and virtually zero integration. In the UK I believe we have recruited actively from the Muslim population into the police and intelligence services - something that couldn't be done if Muslims felt marginalised and victimised.

However, we have managed the numbers coming into the UK far more effectively than the Continent - the huge inrush from war-torn countries has brought a lot of angry young men who have first hand experience of violence and killings. Corralling these people into ghettos and denying them opportunities will IMO lead to more violence and religious extremism.

Let's welcome the things this country has done right and hope lessons are being learned.

 

[Fab Foodie]

FWIW, I think the reason Britain has been relatively unscathed by Islamist terrorism in recent years, with many plots foiled and deterred is because we're more integrated as a community than those on the continent. Areas in Brussels, Paris, Marseilles and elsewhere appear to effectively be Muslim ghettos with extremely high youth unemployment, high crime and virtually zero integration. In the UK I believe we have recruited actively from the Muslim population into the police and intelligence services - something that couldn't be done if Muslims felt marginalised and victimised.

However, we have managed the numbers coming into the UK far more effectively than the Continent - the huge inrush from war-torn countries has brought a lot of angry young men who have first hand experience of violence and killings. Corralling these people into ghettos and denying them opportunities will IMO lead to more violence and religious extremism.

Let's welcome the things this country has done right and hope lessons are being learned.

I would suggest that we also have a lot of experience of Terrorism in the UK and possibly have better than average intelligence and anti-terrorism response than many other countries in the EU, thus making us a riskier country to operate in.