BBC Breakfast item today on illegally modded ebikes

[Kingfisher101]

The Police are not really interested in things like this. they tend to just bother with very serious criminal matters, like murder/ terrorism/ serious road crashes. Followed by crimes against the state or on nasty things posted on social media.

 

[Drago]

The police can rarely catch them, as they can go through narrow alleys etc. and when they do catch them, there's injuries or worse, riots and cries of "he was such a good boy, never dun nuffink to no one"

For the most part the dibble simply aren't permitted to pursue them.

 

[markemark]

If I was earning 50p a delivery I would mod my bike to earn just about enough money to stay afloat. And considering the amount of law breaking done by delivery/professional drivers in cars/lorries/vans than kills hundreds per death by ebike, that’s what we should be focusing on.
I remember a report that showed something like 70% of hgv drivers illegally modded their tacho. And let’s not even start to think about other large vehicles that speed, run lights, use mobiles at the wheel.
Given the illegality on the roads ans the death and injury that happens daily, some Deliveroo rider going 25 is pretty much entirely irritating but inconsequential.

I see hundreds of delivery e-bikes daily. Are they the problem when I’m walking/cycling? Are they the ones killing and injuring daily? No, it’s the motor vehicles.

 

[Kingfisher101]

Yeah

If I was earning 50p a delivery I would mod my bike to earn just about enough money to stay afloat. And considering the amount of law breaking done by delivery/professional drivers in cars/lorries/vans than kills hundreds per death by ebike, that’s what we should be focusing on.
I remember a report that showed something like 70% of hgv drivers illegally modded their tacho. And let’s not even start to think about other large vehicles that speed, run lights, use mobiles at the wheel.
Given the illegality on the roads ans the death and injury that happens daily, some Deliveroo rider going 25 is pretty much entirely irritating but inconsequential.

I see hundreds of delivery e-bikes daily. Are they the problem when I’m walking/cycling? Are they the ones killing and injuring daily? No, it’s the motor vehicles.

Yeah more or less. Its not them on the roads that's the issue from what I've seen. Its going very fast on pavements where there's, elderly people, little kids, people with prams etc. Its not just them that's a problem its elderly people in motorized buggies going too fast and ploughing through shoppers/ people on the street etc.

 

[Drago]

Yeah

Yeah more or less. Its not them on the roads that's the issue from what I've seen. Its going very fast on pavements where there's, elderly people, little kids, people with prams etc. Its not just them that's a problem its elderly people in motorized buggies going too fast and ploughing through shoppers/ people on the street etc.

Yet for all that conventional motor vehicles kill 40 times more people a year on the footway.

I believe it's correct this issue is addressed, but the blind eye turned by society and media and society of cars, vans and lorries that kill on the footway is breathtaking.

 

[markemark]

Yet for all that conventional motor vehicles kill 40 times more people a year on the footway.

I believe it's correct this issue is addressed, but the blind eye turned by society and media and society of cars, vans and lorries that kill on the footway is breathtaking.

And running red lights. Who does all the killing by running red lights? It ain’t bikes.

 

[Baldy]

I remember a report that something like 70% of hgv drivers illegally modded their tacho.

That is nonsense, even with the old paper disks it was never possible to alter your tacho without it showing. With the new digital ones it isn't possible. Just because you read something on the Internet doesn't mean it's true.

 

[Psamathe]

Just station a couple of officers outside a "Just Eat" (or whatever) for an evening and all the illegal bikes would disappear. Repeat for a few nights and "Just Eat" would have piles of undelivered hot, now cold food not being delivered and no illegal riders will come near the place.

Then agreement with "Just Eat" that they will check and ban illegal bikes and if they are found not to do so then officers will return for a month and their business will collapse.

Ian

 

[markemark]

Just station a couple of officers outside a "Just Eat" (or whatever) for an evening and all the illegal bikes would disappear. Repeat for a few nights and "Just Eat" would have piles of undelivered hot, now cold food not being delivered and no illegal riders will come near the place.

Then agreement with "Just Eat" that they will check and ban illegal bikes and if they are found not to do so then officers will return for a month and their business will collapse.

Ian

“Just Eat Takeaway has 374,000 partnered restaurants across all of their platforms”
How many officers and how many places would this be? 300 officers outside 100 places would be 0.026 of their business. Nobody would even notice.

 

[Baldy]

If you watch the video in the original post that is more or less what they were doing. Once the word got out that the police/border force were about all the delivery riders disappeared. The ones that tried to do a runner were pulled off their bikes.

 

[Psamathe]

Just station a couple of officers outside a "Just Eat" (or whatever) for an evening and all the illegal bikes would disappear. Repeat for a few nights and "Just Eat" would have piles of undelivered hot, now cold food not being delivered and no illegal riders will come near the place.

Then agreement with "Just Eat" that they will check and ban illegal bikes and if they are found not to do so then officers will return for a month and their business will collapse.

Ian

“Just Eat Takeaway has 374,000 partnered restaurants across all of their platforms”
How many officers and how many places would this be? 300 officers outside 100 places would be 0.026 of their business. Nobody would even notice.

It's not about every restaurant it's about getting the company and its franchises to put in place checks and if they are caught not doing so risk action.

Also, is it becomes known across the industry that suddenly without warning officers can arrive and then they have no delivery sales for a few days they will pre-emptively put in place checks so if Police arrive their delivery cycles won't disappear because they know they are legal.

Ian

 

[classic33]

“Just Eat Takeaway has 374,000 partnered restaurants across all of their platforms”
How many officers and how many places would this be? 300 officers outside 100 places would be 0.026 of their business. Nobody would even notice.

Briggate in Leeds, over three dozen delivery riders gather there nearly every day.
The Broadway in Bradford, upwards of a dozen.
Point them out to the police and you're met with "they have pedals, they're bicycles not e-bikes".

As for the 50p delivery fee, there's some must be doing an awful lot of deliveries at that price. How many bikes can you afford to replace if seized before it becomes too much.
You're unlikely to get insurance to cover an illegal vehicle, and I'd say trying to claim for an illegal vehicle being seized would be laughed at whilst they said "No" chance" to you.

 

[Drago]

Just station a couple of officers outside a "Just Eat" (or whatever) for an evening and all the illegal bikes would disappear. Repeat for a few nights and "Just Eat" would have piles of undelivered hot, now cold food not being delivered and no illegal riders will come near the place.

Then agreement with "Just Eat" that they will check and ban illegal bikes and if they are found not to do so then officers will return for a month and their business will collapse.

Ian

Alas, the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act prevents the dibble doing stuff like that. They cant even camp outside pubs looking for drink drivers any more because it counts as "directed surveillance."

 

[classic33]

As a follow up I've read this today:

Ministers refuse to share asylum hotel locations with delivery firms

"The Home Office is refusing to share information requested by food delivery companies who want to prevent small boat migrants working illegally in the gig economy.

Deliveroo asked Dame Angela Eagle, the minister for border security and asylum, and Home Office officials to provide the locations where asylum seekers are being housed in hotels.

It said that it needed this data to enable them to identify and block their courier’s accounts being used from these locations."

I think that if you are already working illegally, you are more likely to use an illegal means of transport to help with that. Its hard to criticise the delivery companies if they are being denied the means to identify the illegal workers.

Why do they need the hotel locations?
Aren't you asked for an address in any job application made.

The food delivery companies own tracking apps would show them what they're asking for. Further up thread it was suggested that the police check and remove the bikes from the streets. Why don't the food delivery companies put feet on the streets. Check that the people delivering under their name aren't breaking the law with regards their means of transport.

 

[Psamathe]

As a follow up I've read this today:

Ministers refuse to share asylum hotel locations with delivery firms

"The Home Office is refusing to share information requested by food delivery companies who want to prevent small boat migrants working illegally in the gig economy.

If a company is going to employ somebody ask for their NI number. Don't need their address. Request would look like "ulterior motives" and quite correct the details were not provided.

Ian