Best Tyres?

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Michelin Pro Race are my favourites, lovely ride and a tread that I found very cut resistant - in common with all Michelin race tyres from Hi Lites on.

Motorcycling wise, Continental Road Attacks were the best. I replaced the stock Bridgestones with them when I had my GSX 750 and they were brilliant from the off, no skittishness as they scrubbed in and they took ages to even begin to square off.

Car tyres? Whatever cheap crap my local dealer has in stock, no issues.
 
Putting aside the current ones,I would say my Panaracer Smoke /Dart combo on my old Marin MTB.
Brill grip on all trails and never failed me.
Skinny by today's standards (1.95).
They try and sell them for crazy prices sometimes,trying to fleece the retro bike lovers.:cursing:
 

johnnyb47

Guru
Location
Wales
At the moment my current tyres are Michelin selects. I've managed to escape a puncture over the last 800 miles on them. They feel quite nice too on the road but the back one is now starting to get a little bald ( just like me ) I've tried doing a Google search on these tyres but I can't find anything about them. As I bought the bike second hand I haven't a clue how old the tyres are but I think they must be getting on a bit now as there a line of cotton strands spewing out in between where the gum wall meets the black tread.
 

smutchin

Cat 6 Racer
Location
The Red Enclave
You are contradictory with that statement.

No, the second part is qualifying the first part, not contradicting it. (How can personal experience be anything other than subjective, right?)

None of us are very keen to test a tyre's grip around a corner, and for good reason. ... The simple fact is that most tyres have far more grip than we have balls.

Yes, that's pretty much the point I was making.

I know you've once had a rear wheel slide away on a white line and recovered. That's because the entire surface was smooth and the tyre slid just a little bit before it had good grip again. However, if that slide was a few cm further, your angle would have been beyond recoverable and you would have fallen.

Funnily enough, I once had that happen with a front wheel. Most alarming. I wouldn't have believed it possible if it hadn't happened but there you go.

It wasn't the tyre's fault. Conditions overwhelmed the traction.

That's a perfectly rational assessment and I know it's true, yet my confidence in those tyres is destroyed, I can't use them any more.
 

Ajax Bay

Guru
Location
East Devon
Braking.
1) On the front wheel you have more traction than you can use. We know this because you cannot skid a front wheel. The bike will overturn before the wheel locks. Therefore you cannot test "grip" by applying the front brake.
2) On the right wheel you have zero traction at high decelleration. We know this because the rear wheel lifts when you brake hard. A wheel that's in the air is not utilising it's "grip". Therefore you cannot test "grip" by applying the rear brake.
In 1) I assume you are dealing with dry metaled roads here. If the conditions are slippy, surely too sharp an application of the front brake will result in a front wheel 'skid' (not pleasant). MTB maniacs do this all the time but stay mostly just on the right side of the skid/no skid loss of control threshold.
In 2) (assume 'right' = 'rear') the rear wheel only lifts if you mostly apply braking effect to the front, and don't sit back when applying hard rear brake. Anyone can get their rear wheel to stay on the ground and skid, even in the grippiest of conditions (not good for the tyre, mind).
Have I failed to understand?
 
In 1) I assume you are dealing with dry metaled roads here. If the conditions are slippy, surely too sharp an application of the front brake will result in a front wheel 'skid' (not pleasant). MTB maniacs do this all the time but stay mostly just on the right side of the skid/no skid loss of control threshold.
In 2) (assume 'right' = 'rear') the rear wheel only lifts if you mostly apply braking effect to the front, and don't sit back when applying hard rear brake. Anyone can get their rear wheel to stay on the ground and skid, even in the grippiest of conditions (not good for the tyre, mind).
Have I failed to understand?

Nope,seems a good enough explanation.
Anyway,pulling both brakes at the same time should keep the back end down.
Being an MTBer ,I have noticed tyres on the back "drifting" when I have been doing a corner (High Roller II and Hans Dampf)
Changed to a Vittoria,and hey presto!!,no loss of grip on the same trails conditions and speed.
Different tyres do have different characteristics ,maybe the ones I binned would be better in other conditions.
 
The rear brake cannot defy gravity, when the front is applied the weight will come off the back of the bike brake or no brake.

Works for me :unsure:
 
Location
Loch side.
In 1) I assume you are dealing with dry metaled roads here. If the conditions are slippy, surely too sharp an application of the front brake will result in a front wheel 'skid' (not pleasant). MTB maniacs do this all the time but stay mostly just on the right side of the skid/no skid loss of control threshold.
In 2) (assume 'right' = 'rear') the rear wheel only lifts if you mostly apply braking effect to the front, and don't sit back when applying hard rear brake. Anyone can get their rear wheel to stay on the ground and skid, even in the grippiest of conditions (not good for the tyre, mind).
Have I failed to understand?

The topic is road biking and what I said thus applies to road biking. I'm not familiar with the term metaled and my cannot skid" term applies to dry asphalt. Gravel, marbles, ice and sleet are exceptions to this rule. When a tyre skids on a MTB on dirt it doesn't test the coefficient of friction of the rubber but rather the shear strength of the surface you are skidding on. In these cases any rubber will perform exactly the same (grippyness is irrelevant) unless the knobblies can imprint deep enough to either increase the shear strength of the substrate or, bypass the loose gravel and activate the weak atomic forces that gives a tyre traction on asphalt. Imagine a bike riding on a bed of bearing balls. If you brake, the balls roll and the rubber itself is irrelevant. The only factor a tyre can contribute in such a skid is the shape and depth of its knobblies. The deeper they dig in the more shear strength they can muster from the substrate. On a road bike where the tyre does not imprint on the substrate, it is purely down to the rubber's Van der Waal's forces with the road or, grippyness in layman's terms.

2) Most people only test their brakes in an emergency and in such cases there's usually not enough time or conditioned reflex training to move backwards and get weight over the rear wheel to give it a bit more traction. Thus my example applies to that situation but I think you have a valid point and if I may paraphrase you "doesn't hanging over the back and skidding the rear wheel test the tyre's adhesion?" The answer is yes and no. Hanging over the back this won't test the tyre's adhesion in a controlled way and with a good or a bad tyre you will never get a corresponding good and bad reading. The difference in adhesion is so small between good and bad grip tyres when there is minimal weight on the rear wheel, that it is completely dwarfed by the huge errors in measurement you create at the body's position and applied brake force. You can induce sliding by the force with which you pull the lever or by adjusting your position.
How is the layman gonna control that and come up with a "reading" and make a decision on a tyre's grip and thus safety.

Smoking Joe is right about gravity but the rear wheel still receives reduced downforce even if you only pull the rear brake.

Marquis' rear wheel drifts because the tyre could not muster up enough shear strength from the dirt he was cornering on. By changing tyres he changed tread pattern and knobbly effectiveness and that improved traction. However, the grip under those conditions didn't improve because the tyre had a better coefficient of friction. Remember, whenever the tyre makes an imprint on the road, it is down to the knobblies digging in. If the tyre doesn't make an imprint, grip is due to adhesion.
 

Bollo

Failed Tech Bro
Location
Winch
Tufo Calibra Lites for TTs and posh rides. They weight as much as a pair of tights and probably have the same puncture resistance, but they feel very supple compared to the Conti 4000s IIs I normally use. Plus the name is a cross between a proper chav whip and a ciggie. What's not to like?
 

NorthernDave

Never used Über Member
I sense there isn't a lot of love for them, but I reckon Conti Gator Skins are about the ideal tyre. I find they have good grip (better than the Vittoria Rubino Pros on my new bike in the wet) and seem tough enough without feeling dead or that like I'm riding through treacle.

And I really can't fault the Schwalbe Land Cruisers on the hybrid, especially the cheap as chips price.

Oh, and on the car it's Michelin Energy Savers all the way, they last almost forever, great grip and improved fuel economy.
 
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