bl**dy cyclists?

Discussion in 'Commuting' started by 2Loose, 24 Apr 2010.

  1. I came across this essay and thought I would share.

    Despite the title, I think it fairly well considered...and I also know that it will be preaching to the choir.

    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/wiki/Bloody_cyclists

    Darn it, found it elsewhere on the forum. :smile:
     
  2. PBancroft

    PBancroft Senior Member

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    Heh - oddly enough I woke up early this morning and stumbled across this article again from the Myths and Rebuttals thread. Great man, that Chapman.
     
  3. Tinuts

    Tinuts Wham Bam Helmet Cam

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    London, UK.
    Yes, but it's so good it bears repeating.
     
  4. Simba

    Simba Specialized Allez 24 Rider

    Page doesn't load for me.
     
  5. PBancroft

    PBancroft Senior Member

    Location:
    Winchester
    Website appears to be down - may be because I posted a link to it on B3ta... :blush:

    Google's cache is here.
     
  6. thomas

    thomas the tank engine

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    Woking/Norwich

    I got a website of mine in their newsletter....suddenly my hosting company weren't too pleased :blush:
     
  7. OP
    OP
    2Loose

    2Loose Veteran

    And guess where I found it! LoL.
     
  8. dondare

    dondare Über Member

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    It took a few attempts to find the page; when I did I found much in the article that I would argue with.
     
  9. PBancroft

    PBancroft Senior Member

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    Winchester
    Arf! Small world.
     
  10. PBancroft

    PBancroft Senior Member

    Location:
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    Well don't leave us hanging...
     
  11. dondare

    dondare Über Member

    Location:
    London
    Essentially it's over-argued without the significant points being emphasized. It's blame-heavy towards pedestrians. It uses arguments which invite refutals.

    Actually I just wrote a long criticism and lost it before posting and right now don't feel like typing it all again.

    But I don't think that it was helpful to point out that most cyclists are also drivers and therefore pay VED when the essential argument is that the road system was built and paid for before there were any motor cars or "Road Tax" and that VED is totally irrelevant regarding anything other than motor-vehicles. Similarly why say thay many cyclists are insured when the argument is that there is no reason why any of them at all should be. And so on.
     
  12. OP
    OP
    2Loose

    2Loose Veteran

    I read it as a list of comments to counter some common ones used by some car drivers, therefore it was put from a 'driver friendly' perspective.

    When some people are faced with 'we have to pay insurance, why don't you?', it is far quicker and more effective to say 'I pay it for x amount of vehicles so what is your point exactly?' than get into a drawn out discussion on the historical and political use of roads.

    On that point, I actually think that there is a reason that I should have 3rd party insurance while on my bike, but I am glad that it is my choice to make rather than have that decision made for me.
     
  13. hackbike 666

    hackbike 666 Guest

    you are far more likely to die as a result of some old fart in a hat driving the wrong way on the M1 than as a result of some poor old dear on a bike with a basket.


    ;)

     
  14. GrasB

    GrasB Veteran

    Location:
    Nr Cambridge
    I refute this as the number of times I've been on the M1 in the passed 3 years I don't even need a hand to count on but the number of old dears with baskets meandering over the footpaths that pass me around work is high :wacko: (yes I did deliberately miss the point ;))
     
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