Boxing

[Stephenite]

My eldest lass is a boxer and this morning she regaled me with all sorts of technical boxing reasons why she thinks Tyson v Paul was scripted.

With respect - to me it didn’t seem scripted. We have to be careful when throwing that accusation around. It was though very predictable.

 

[Stephenite]

Tyson looked like an old man last night, and if Paul was honestly showing his full talent he would have been sparked out in under a minute by 1988 Mike Tyson.

I know that boxing's always been corrupted by money but it's really sunk to new lows now.

I think you’re missing the point. These two are not elite boxers fighting for a title, but showmen putting on a spectacle.

 

[cyberknight]

My eldest lass is a boxer and this morning she regaled me with all sorts of technical boxing reasons why she thinks Tyson v Paul was scripted.

I have to agree, i am by no means a boxing aficionado but when you compare the training footage of tyson to the clips of the fight i have seen the difference is too much to make the "fight" anything but a show .

 

[stephec]

I think you’re missing the point. These two are not elite boxers fighting for a title, but showmen putting on a spectacle.

It wasn't really entertaining though, and Paul can't claim to be anything remotely special until he's proven himself against someone decent of his own age and weight.

It was as convincing as the WWE, and at least when you watch that you know it's all a good giggle.

 

[Drago]

With respect - to me it didn’t seem scripted. We have to be careful when throwing that accusation around. It was though very predictable.

Well, I boxed - very poorly - and my lass boxes very well, and there are lots of tell tell signs that it wasn't right.

Tyson has been a peek-a-boo fighter his entire career, possibly as a consequence of not being particularly tall or long in reach, but suddenly wasn't a peek-a-boo fighter any more

Twice Tyson had good, clear, open rights locked and loaded on Paul and he didn't release them. There's at least one where Paul did the same.

And there are other similar tactical anomalies. Scripted? Perhaps, perhaps not, but it certainly wasn't a free and open fight with each man doing all that is permitted under the rules of the sport. Something is clearly amiss.

My lass spotted all this first go, and I watched it again and she's right. It's fishier than my home made apple crumble.

And then there's the 'scripts that was leaked a few hours before the fight. Real, fake? We don't know, but combined with the actions of the fighters themselves it's certainly enough that those thar have actually worn gloves themselves are asking questions.

And I'll voice whatever opinion I like, within the bounds of the forum rules. It's an opinion - it may well be wrong, but it's at least an opinion formed on evidence, and is thus a legitimate conversation.

If you've boxed more successfully than me - which wouldn't be difficult - and have greater practical knowledge of the sport than my daughter then perhaps you could help us explain the anomalies instead of simply trying to shut the conversation down?

If there's a legitimate reason for Tyson's sudden abandonment of a lifelong technique, then what is it? If there's a reason why the fighters, Tyson in particular, didn't take clear and open shots that were presented to them, then what is it? Help advance the conversation.

 

[AndyRM]

I'm with @Drago and his daughter here. Even with my limited knowledge of boxing that was a joke. The boos and people who'd paid to be there leaving says it all.

If it had been an exhibition fight then fair enough I suppose, but being sanctioned as a pro bout made a mockery of the whole thing. The caveats on the fight were ridiculous as well.

 

[PaulSB]

I think you’re missing the point. These two are not elite boxers fighting for a title, but showmen putting on a spectacle.

I'm not a boxing fan, have little knowledge of and no interest in the sport. You're absolutely on the nail with this.

I knew the fight was taking place. I now know there is a boxer called Jake Paul. I've read the BBC and Guardian reports. If the point was to engage, and monetise, an audience it worked.

I did note the Guardian reported "boos rained down from the crowd," "he (Tyson) appeared completely exhausted after the first round," and "audible jeers could be heard......during the later rounds as Paul eased up....."

How positive the engagement was for many and what opinions it confirmed is up for discussion.

It has left me wondering if it's worth watching any sport created and promoted in this way by Netflix. That's bad news for Netflix.

 

[Stephenite]

Sorry i didnt answer earlier. Sundays can be busy here

The fight went as expected - Tyson with his history of early round knockouts came out blazing. He wasn't able to keep up the pressure on the man 30 years younger than himself. And Paul being a poor boxer wasn't able to capitalise on the advantage. When it came to the end of the artificially shortened fight Paul won on points because he landed more punches. I don't know anything about anything else.

 

[Stephenite]

@Drago Its a very good thing your lass is a boxer. You must be very proud.

Over here in Norway boxing isn't so very common. If you are going to go into 'martial arts' at an early age then it's wrestling. My girl was lucky and joined a group from the age of six. She has had plenty of competition fights over the last three years, and has done well, winning most, but now she wants to stop. It's not for her, she says.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Paul vs Tyson just a joke but a bad one.
Paul has earned millions through the dim wits of social media and who has he fought,no one of any note except Tommy Fury(he's not very good) which he lost on points.When i say anyone of any note of course Mike Tyson but not as he is now.
Jake Paul is now calling out Canelo Alvarez.Really! First of all i doubt very much that Alvarez would stoop that low and secondly if he did the fight wouldn't last that long.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

'No', said Alvarez.

$$$$$$$$$$$ said Promoter.

'I'm in' said Alvarez.

 

[Beebo]

Paul vs Tyson just a joke but a bad one.
Paul has earned millions through the dim wits of social media and who has he fought,no one of any note except Tommy Fury(he's not very good) which he lost on points.When i say anyone of any note of course Mike Tyson but not as he is now.
Jake Paul is now calling out Canelo Alvarez.Really! First of all i doubt very much that Alvarez would stoop that low and secondly if he did the fight wouldn't last that long.

Based on their last fight there is a 20kg weight difference.
No other boxer in the world calls out a boxer who is 3 weights lower than them as it isn’t professional boxing and fans would just laugh.

 

[Drago]

Next he'll he calling out nerdy kids for their lunch money.

 

[cyberknight]

piece of information i came across , no idea of the validity
For tyson to get the full payout he had to make the fight last the full 8 rounds, if he knocked out paul in the 1st he gets $0 and a sliding scale up the the 8th round.

 

[matticus]

Anyone else watch the ‘big fight’ ?

It wasn’t as bad as I’d feared.

Jake played it smart and kept away from Mike in the first two rounds. Mike still has some of his power. And can take shots to the head and body. But he can’t move quickly enough to close the space down and doesn’t have the reflexes anymore. Jake is a heavy slugger and fit but doesn’t have the moves of a boxer. Usyk is in a different league and it would be a straightforward win for him. Jake isn’t going to be able to compete with the best but, would I watch him fight again? … yes.

By the end of the show both fighters had gone up in my estimation.

Didn't watch it - and I'm not really a boxing fan - but I've been surprised reading around, how much love there seems to be for Tyson out there!
Was it always there (and I was biased by The Ear Incident et al)? Or is the other guy just even more of a cockwomble??