Brown trousers time (career change eeeek).

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screenman

Squire
Coming from the self employed side I would say be careful, it is certainly not all it is cracked up to be, says he entering his 40th year of self employment. There are easier ways to earn a living than sitting in a car for 10 hours a day for not a lot of dosh.

Another word of advice, franchises, becareful many are in business to sell franchises not support franchisee's( not sure about that word) I know of many that sell them for motor trade services and the failure rate is huge, of course the magazines will not tell you this as they rely on franchise sellers for advertising revenue.

I have been helping people start their own businesses and go self emplyed for many years, tread carefully. I do however wish you all the best and if I can be of any help just ask away.
 

vernon

Harder than Ronnie Pickering
Location
Meanwood, Leeds
Ten years ago an eager young Pikey left zoo keeping (really, that is true) and joined the teaching profession. I really enjoyed it until about three years ago, but now what was once a respected profession helping youngsters to help themselves get the best start in their lives has become an endless treadmill of testing, assessment, marking, RAG rating pupils and changing the way we all teach, seemingly weekly to suit the latest think tank / quango fuelled crap... and repeat.

Although I earlier recommended making the leap into the unknown, reel things in a bit. There are a lot of schools like yours and mine - one's that were previously described by OFSTED as 'satisfactory' and now, since the redefinition of satisfactory to meaning 'needing improvement', they are all under the cosh. A golden opportunity to dismantle Michael Gove was missed when he declared that he wanted all schools to be above average. Equally there are schools with inspirational headteachers and management teams that have steered their schools through the minefields of OFSTED and ever changing legislation where the staff and pupils are working towards a common goal of peace, calm, harmony and achievement. They do exist - I spent a day per week for five months working in one - it should have been just a couple of Fridays - my normal day off but I liked it so much that when I was offered a further ten weeks worth I accepted the offer.

Do have a look around - there are some schools that are great environments and whose management team let their teachers teach.

Nothing to do with helping young'uns progress and learn, just a drive to get the best results for senior management.

I share the view that the teachers' mission now appears to be to obtain the grades that keep senior staff in their jobs and that pupils are just a means to an end. In mitigation, the managers are being hit with a big stick in the drive to make educational policies appear to be working. Some of the managers are not so good at shouldering some of the responsibilities and pass them all down to the 'engine room'.

I've seen a massive increasing in the number of the pupils at the school with depression, school related anxiety and random sicknesses due to exams, testing and their workload. I'm really not sure I want to be a part of that any more.

I'd only go as far as saying that there is an undeniable increase in the number of pupils feeling the strain and for some of them, disenchantment set in and the setting of personal achievement targets and aspirational (though rarely achievable) targets have been counter productive.

I'm 98.32% of the way to sacking it, becoming a driving instructor (already interviewed) and financially me and Mrs P can house the career change, along with a bit of supply and private tutoring.

Looking at the comments from those in the know, becoming a driving instructor does not appear to be that attractive as an income generator and I'd suggest that you look at other alternatives. If it means 'hanging on in there' for another year to give yourself further time to explore alternatives that in itself would be no bad thing as you would have the end of the tunnel in sight and a defined end date - far less stressful than regarding yourself stuck in a job for life.

Gavroche mentioned supply teaching - It can be a useful stop gap measure though continuity of employment is uncertain, it does remove a lot of the bureaucracy. It could also regenerate your enthusiasm for teaching and give you an insight into a wider range of schools. I had a major crisis of confidence in my first year of teaching and resigned. I did some supply teaching to tide me over and saw that not all schools were exploitative of their staff and after two years of supply teaching on medium and long term contracts I took the plunge and stayed for another twenty nine years. In the current climate there are lots of work available for supply teachers - so much so that the agencies are having to resort to sending out cover supervisors rather than teachers because they don't have enough teachers to meet demand.

Although this posting does appear to contradict some of the advice that I gave earlier it does attempt to see things from your perspective and circumstances which are radically different from my own. I will not have to work from March 24th. You, on the other hand, have a lot of working years ahead of you and it's important that you do not make any expensive mistakes, both financially, and career wise.

Take care and good luck!
 
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Pikey

Pikey

Waiting for the turbo to kick in...
Location
Wiltshire
Although I earlier recommended making the leap into the unknown, reel things in a bit. There are a lot of schools like yours and mine - one's that were previously described by OFSTED as 'satisfactory' and now, since the redefinition of satisfactory to meaning 'needing improvement', they are all under the cosh. A golden opportunity to dismantle Michael Gove was missed when he declared that he wanted all schools to be above average. Equally there are schools with inspirational headteachers and management teams that have steered their schools through the minefields of OFSTED and ever changing legislation where the staff and pupils are working towards a common goal of peace, calm, harmony and achievement. They do exist - I spent a day per week for five months working in one - it should have been just a couple of Fridays - my normal day off but I liked it so much that when I was offered a further ten weeks worth I accepted the offer.

Do have a look around - there are some schools that are great environments and whose management team let their teachers teach.



I share the view that the teachers' mission now appears to be to obtain the grades that keep senior staff in their jobs and that pupils are just a means to an end. In mitigation, the managers are being hit with a big stick in the drive to make educational policies appear to be working. Some of the managers are not so good at shouldering some of the responsibilities and pass them all down to the 'engine room'.



I'd only go as far as saying that there is an undeniable increase in the number of pupils feeling the strain and for some of them, disenchantment set in and the setting of personal achievement targets and aspirational (though rarely achievable) targets have been counter productive.



Looking at the comments from those in the know, becoming a driving instructor does not appear to be that attractive as an income generator and I'd suggest that you look at other alternatives. If it means 'hanging on in there' for another year to give yourself further time to explore alternatives that in itself would be no bad thing as you would have the end of the tunnel in sight and a defined end date - far less stressful than regarding yourself stuck in a job for life.

Gavroche mentioned supply teaching - It can be a useful stop gap measure though continuity of employment is uncertain, it does remove a lot of the bureaucracy. It could also regenerate your enthusiasm for teaching and give you an insight into a wider range of schools. I had a major crisis of confidence in my first year of teaching and resigned. I did some supply teaching to tide me over and saw that not all schools were exploitative of their staff and after two years of supply teaching on medium and long term contracts I took the plunge and stayed for another twenty nine years. In the current climate there are lots of work available for supply teachers - so much so that the agencies are having to resort to sending out cover supervisors rather than teachers because they don't have enough teachers to meet demand.

Although this posting does appear to contradict some of the advice that I gave earlier it does attempt to see things from your perspective and circumstances which are radically different from my own. I will not have to work from March 24th. You, on the other hand, have a lot of working years ahead of you and it's important that you do not make any expensive mistakes, both financially, and career wise.

Take care and good luck!

Now that is a post and a half, I appreciate it :okay:

Tbh, now I've cooled my heels a bit, I'm beginning to echo your sentiments here. I think I need to get out of full time teaching now for a bit. Supply is a definite option.
 
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Pikey

Pikey

Waiting for the turbo to kick in...
Location
Wiltshire
Coming from the self employed side I would say be careful, it is certainly not all it is cracked up to be, says he entering his 40th year of self employment. There are easier ways to earn a living than sitting in a car for 10 hours a day for not a lot of dosh.

Another word of advice, franchises, becareful many are in business to sell franchises not support franchisee's( not sure about that word) I know of many that sell them for motor trade services and the failure rate is huge, of course the magazines will not tell you this as they rely on franchise sellers for advertising revenue.

I have been helping people start their own businesses and go self emplyed for many years, tread carefully. I do however wish you all the best and if I can be of any help just ask away.

Yeah, after this post and quite a few others above I've looked a bit deeper into the franchise I was thinking about, and I might have had a bit of a lucky escape.
Massive franchise fees, 70% failure rate and no guarantee of any level of support or work level.

It just seemed a natural extension of my skills set. But I'm thinking I need to have a sleep on this and a big old think.
 
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Pikey

Pikey

Waiting for the turbo to kick in...
Location
Wiltshire
You could watch an education/motivational film on your new chosen career path first... :smile::okay:
Good luck though... I'd like to change my job right now, but finding it's not an easy option)

Confessions_of_a_Driving_Instructor_FilmPoster.jpe

Wait... this has changed my mind!!
 
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Pikey

Pikey

Waiting for the turbo to kick in...
Location
Wiltshire
Good luck in whatever you choose to do @Pikey. You've already changed career once, so you know you can cope with change. Wish I'd changed careers myself before I became too institutionalised.

Cheers matey, that's good to hear!
That is my fear, it's sh1t at the moment and I don't want to become one of those members of staff that you see in the staff room that have been p1ssed off for thirty years and tell everyone, but have become part of the woodwork.
 

Vapin' Joe

Formerly known as Smokin Joe
Yeah, after this post and quite a few others above I've looked a bit deeper into the franchise I was thinking about, and I might have had a bit of a lucky escape.
Massive franchise fees, 70% failure rate and no guarantee of any level of support or work level.

It just seemed a natural extension of my skills set. But I'm thinking I need to have a sleep on this and a big old think.
A franchise from a driving school is a major rip off. The only way to make money is to work on your own, you can buy and run a car for A LOT less than the fee a school will charge and on top of the weekly fee (Payable whether you work or not) you have to buy your own fuel.

A good instructor on a school will be subsidising the crap ones. Competent ADIs do not advertise, all their work comes through personal recommendation. The school needs a high number of pupils to run as many instructors as they can (More instructors, more fees) and they will supply each one with the minimum needed to keep them working under their name. So the guy who has people phoning the school asking for him will be told, "He's not taking any work on at the moment, he's too busy, but we have another instructor who has an excellent record and you can go with him". So you lose work and money and the crap instructor gets it instead.

And the bigger the school, the worse they are. Libel laws prevent me naming them, but it doesn't take much working out.
 
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Pikey

Pikey

Waiting for the turbo to kick in...
Location
Wiltshire
A franchise from a driving school is a major rip off. The only way to make money is to work on your own, you can buy and run a car for A LOT less than the fee a school will charge and on top of the weekly fee (Payable whether you work or not) you have to buy your own fuel.

A good instructor on a school will be subsidising the crap ones. Competent ADIs do not advertise, all their work comes through personal recommendation. The school needs a high number of pupils to run as many instructors as they can (More instructors, more fees) and they will supply each one with the minimum needed to keep them working under their name. So the guy who has people phoning the school asking for him will be told, "He's not taking any work on at the moment, he's too busy, but we have another instructor who has an excellent record and you can go with him". So you lose work and money and the crap instructor gets it instead.

And the bigger the school, the worse they are. Libel laws prevent me naming them, but it doesn't take much working out.

Yeah, from what I have red about it, that is the case.

Might have properly dodged a bullet.
 
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Bazzer

Setting the controls for the heart of the sun.
Mrs B took early retirement from teaching (secondary SEN) as the job had become so bureacratic, silly hours, threats from kids, head like a dictator to staff but not giving support and everyone looking after their own backs rather than the children. Spoke of supply work, but then decided she wanted a complete break from it.
One of my children is teacher (primary). Works silly hours for her own class, demands from head become greater..
She wouldn't mind so much, but when she has been kicked, punched and had scissors thrown at her by kids and support from the head is zilch, it takes the edge of the job.
You go into A&E and other places and see signs about abuse not being tolerated, yet it seems when you are a teacher, you just have to take whatever shoot comes your way.
 

toffee

Guru
I'll try not to make this read like one of those secret teacher articles from the Guardian, but I think I've bloody well had enough of being a teacher now and need to use you guys as a sounding board.

Ten years ago an eager young Pikey left zoo keeping (really, that is true) and joined the teaching profession. I really enjoyed it until about three years ago, but now what was once a respected profession helping youngsters to help themselves get the best start in their lives has become an endless treadmill of testing, assessment, marking, RAG rating pupils and changing the way we all teach, seemingly weekly to suit the latest think tank / quango fuelled crap... and repeat.

Nothing to do with helping young'uns progress and learn, just a drive to get the best results for senior management.

I've seen a massive increasing in the number of the pupils at the school with depression, school related anxiety and random sicknesses due to exams, testing and their workload. I'm really not sure I want to be a part of that any more.

I'm 98.32% of the way to sacking it, becoming a driving instructor (already interviewed) and financially me and Mrs P can house the career change, along with a bit of supply and private tutoring.

But I'm pooing my proverbial pants at the change, what do you learned folks think? Am I being a tool worrying about the change or a tool for changing careers in the first place?


Well I don't blame you for your thoughts. As I type this, Mrs T a teacher of 10 years, is typing her CV in response to the latest spoutings from the senior management, at the school she has taught at for 6 years, she has had enough. Come the whitsun holidays she will be handing her notice in even if she hasn't another teaching post to go to. It will be supply or she will leave the profession altogether. She is not the first at her school either some of whom have already handed their notice in already. There is a massive exodus from teaching at moment most of whom are the experienced ones.

Derek
 

Drago

Legendary Member
In 30 years only one wage slave I know has made any big money, and he's a VP for Microsoft. Every one else is pretty much as poor as everyone else.

That's being the case you may as well find something you like instead. My Missus has put her foot down on the idea of me doing maritime anti piracy work off the East coast of Africa despite the £150+ big ones a year, so I'm eyeing up a nice little ticket inspectors job for Midland Rail. Crap money, but I'll have my pension to live on so this'll be some Guinness money and a bit of a laugh.
 

screenman

Squire
Although I feel change is good I cannot suggest being self employed unless you are very good at sales and marketing, if not then the only way to get work is by being cheap.

Did I mention rejection, that is one that makes people pack up quickly.
 
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