Can I borrow my own money?

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ASC1951

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Yorkshire
Which is fine if we are all happy to concede that when a lender says this they mean "this benefit means nothing because we can do what we want or ignore it completely".
Most long term commercial contracts - and certainly most mortgage contracts - say that they can change the terms of the deal, usually on due notice. Due notice these days includes notice on their website, so they don't need to tell everyone individually. TBH it isn't realistic to expect zero flexibility, when the loan can last 25 years or more. Six or seven years ago, for instance, most lenders doubled their mortgage discharge fees.

Of course a lender cannot make a change which is fundamental to the original contract. That would be a potential breach of contract and entitle you to exit at their expense. IMO it isn't a breach to charge you for something that was previously free, provided the charge is transparent, reasonable and proportionate. The Market Harborough would say that such a charge is now standard in the industry, so as long as it's a reasonable amount I think they are entitled to impose it.

If I were you I would point out to them that you chose this product and overpaid precisely because of the free borrow-back, and tell them that they must give you this first borrow-back without charge. If they disagree, take it further - the FSA service is free. But beware of getting sucked into a 'matter of principle' crusade, because life is short and I don't think you have a case legally.
 
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Thomk

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Warwickshire
Your balanced post pretty much tallies with my view.

These points are worth noting though:
  1. There is no mention on their website or anywhere else I can find with the help of Professor Google of this change
  2. It is not at all transparent
  3. Is 3.5% of the borrow back as a fee reasonable and proportionate? I'm not so sure that a rise from £0 - £700 on a £20K borrow back is fair
  4. I am generally happy with the company and all past dealings with them
  5. I will probably, as you say, have a chat with a manager and see what their opinion of my dissatisfaction is
 

ASC1951

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Location
Yorkshire
Is 3.5% of the borrow back as a fee reasonable and proportionate? I'm not so sure that a rise from £0 - £700 on a £20K borrow back is fair.
No, IMO, although I don't know what other lenders are currently charging for that facility. I don't think you could argue with 1%, say.

Good luck with the manager. These days they are just clockwork mice ruled by a £500k piece of software on a server in Birmingham.
 
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