Car -vs- Cycle Lane incident 😲

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mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
So, not just elderly drivers then.
Not just, although the driver I saw yesterday wasn't young either! I suspect the problem was blindly following a sat nav sayang 'next left' instead of looking at the road sign to realise it wasn't that next left! Sat navs still weren't part of driving when I took my test and the cycle track driver was older than me.
 

Jameshow

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The police didn't assess him as vulnerable, as reported it says someone reported the man as vulnerable. Which is pretty hard to do unless you are trained in such assessments. Even, so what the person who called meant by vulnerable we will never know. Maybe there was an angry mob threatening to lynch him for hitting the children as they went to school.

What us he vulnerable to?

Scams? Falls? Memory loss?

Frail might be a better description...
 

a.twiddler

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Not just, although the driver I saw yesterday wasn't young either! I suspect the problem was blindly following a sat nav sayang 'next left' instead of looking at the road sign to realise it wasn't that next left! Sat navs still weren't part of driving when I took my test and the cycle track driver was older than me.

Perhaps it is satnavs that need regulating as much as dimwit drivers?
 
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Why would you try to do that?

Posts are put there precisely to stop cars being driven onto the paths. So long as they are sensible, they shouldn't impede cyclists significantly at all.

If they are putting posts up too close together to easily cycle through, that is certainly an issue, but that is installying them wrongly, not an inherent issue with posts.

The local Highways Department seems to have a love of all kinds of obstacles for pedestrians and cyclists - chicanes, sheep pens and black bollards in the centre of cycleways/footpaths.

My argument is that the majority of these are expensive, put cyclists and pedestrians in conflict, generally disrupt flow and serve no purpose.
 

mjr

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The local Highways Department seems to have a love of all kinds of obstacles for pedestrians and cyclists - chicanes, sheep pens and black bollards in the centre of cycleways/footpaths.
So yours has stopped installing "ankle-breakers" (officially "deterrent paving") then? Norfolk still hasn't realised that any time your design deliberately seeks to injure people walking or cycling along the desire line, it's a failed design, so they installed some outside a hospital this year.
 

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So yours has stopped installing "ankle-breakers" (officially "deterrent paving") then? Norfolk still hasn't realised that any time your design deliberately seeks to injure people walking or cycling along the desire line, it's a failed design, so they installed some outside a hospital this year.

I think I may know where some has been installed in the last couple of years. I'll have a look.

I find it appalling that a department in a council in financial crisis will spend extra money in conflict with the design guide to make things worse.
 

blackrat

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I question anyone's belief that council workers have the intellectual capacity to assess the results of their actions.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
I question anyone's belief that council workers have the intellectual capacity to assess the results of their actions.
Oh, they have the capacity. They "set things in motion, play your little games up here in your glass and chrome tower, and people die. Innocent people."

The problem is some say "And yet I just can't seem to care."

More seriously, a combination of the Highways Act and the cabinet system used at most councils means most designs are changed without publication, let alone consultation or scrutiny, then signed off by just one elected councillor, not necessarily familiar with the area being changed. Private developments are required to publish more and have more scrutiny than public ones.

Even that's better than the Executive Agency system used for national highways, where the only democratic accountability is who appoints its leader and sets its targets every few years.
 

icowden

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Surrey
It's worth pointing out that people can be in a situation where they are not aware that they should not drive.

My mum is 82 and has recently been diagnosed with Alzheimer's. She does not understand why my sister took away her car and she can't even drive to the shops any more. As far as she is concerned she is fine to drive.

My sister removed her car keys and sold the car when she encountered my mother driving slowly on the wrong side of the road. Luckily they live in a very quiet village and no harm was done.
 

mjr

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It happens daily everywhere and no one bats an eye lid, but some poor old giffer does it and its suddenly newsworthy.
Except that most of those also go unreported.

The newsworthy aspect here is actually hitting people, instead of doing what they usually do and stopping or reversing course.

Another one this morning, stopped, trying to pull out into a junction from a cycleway, which I think means they'll have to pull out into oncoming motor traffic because Norfolk doesn't give cycleway mouths the recommended corner radii. I didn't wait to see what happened as I'd an appointment to keep!
 
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Drago

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Dozens of people are struck by vehicles on the footway and killed each year (I did know the figure but cant recall it - perhap I shouldn't be driving if im getting forgetful!)

It only when an older driver does it that it draws comments in the media about health, eyesight, etc.

When a young buck or a middle aged woman is responsible the question of their medical fitness to drive never raises an eyebrow in the media or among society in general.

I've no issue with eye tests for drivers. As a responsible road user who wears glasses to drive im well up to leading from the front on that one.

However, this constant emphasis on the medical fitness of older drivers while demographics with higher casualty and offending rates is ignored is nothing short of ageist.

Measures should be evidence led, and the evidence is that older drivers are actually far from being the most dangerous demographic on the road. To target them or start with them first is utterly beyond reasoning and comprehension, particularly when 48 year old female Defender drivers are (allegedly) losing consciousness behind the wheel and ploughing into primary school children in the playground. Where is the call for middle aged people such as Claire Freemantle to be subjected to any kind of health assessment?

Either bring in such measures universally, or if to be phased in start with the most dangerous demographic. To do anything else is illogical enough to make Mr Spock face palm.
 
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Fastpedaller

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Norfolk
A few months ago I stopped at the Post Office and after emerging I unlocked my bike and was pushing it along the pavement to the nearby Lidl store. Nothing unusual or newsworthy there! I then became aware of a car in the road scraping the kerb - 'Wow", thought I -that was weird. Next thing, there was a shout from the scaffolder to his colleague, both on the building across the street, "Did you see that car on the pavement, he nearly drove into the guy pushing the bike!" Maybe I should wear a helmet whilst I'm walking on the pavement, along with a mirror to see them approaching - Surely that would be the view of the 'general standard motorist' :sad:. I hope compulsory eye test results will be linked to RFL renewal for vehicles - surely it will provide a slightly safer road environment, although the issue of illegal/uninsured drivers doesn't seem to be tackled, despite the (surely) easy linking of computer records.
 
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