Carnage on our roads?

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mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Going to work each morning in the passenger seat I get really wound up to see drivers quite obviously texting, etc when moving in slow traffic, also the lane weavers and would be rally drivers :ninja:.
Only in slow traffic? Many Norfolk motorists are using their phones at 40+mph - I can see into their cars on my way into town because the cycle track is above the road, which has a 40mph limit but the AVERAGE speed is 39.something and the speed activated sign is often flashing non stop and it does queue daily, therefore... :-(
 

Neilsmith

Well-Known Member
[QUOTE 3995015, member: 9609"]that is only up to 2013. There was a 2.4% increase to 1807 in 2014. and as police budgets are cut further and further it will rise again for 2015.

so the carnage is getting worse
and the only reason it has shown improvement in previous years is due to cars becomeing safer to crash in, nothing to do with better driving[/QUOTE]
I don't think anybody would claim its from better driving
 

deptfordmarmoset

Full time tea drinker
Location
Armonmy Way
Yes even the DfT would struggle to adjust overall stats on road deaths. However, how many lives are being saved by safety improvements in cars? How many by medical advances? Road crashes which would have resulted in fatalities a decade ago are likely to be survivable now. Statistics aren't going to show that.
On the same note, how many accidents are being caused by drivers driving like plonks because they believe that airbags and crumple zones make them invincible?
One of the factors here is how we treat danger. If you look at the euro ncap safety ratings for new cars, there is a consistent pattern*: the driver and passenger get the highest rating, child occupants 2nd rating and pedestrians the lowest category (they don't test for 2 wheel safety so they're lumped in with pedestrians). Cars consistently provide good to moderate protection for the first two classes and consistenly poor ratings for parts of the vehicle for pedestrians. The point is that danger is externalised.

And while the nearest and dearest are safe, insulated from the street, why not relax a little, get a bit of entertainment, a bit of ever-in-touch communication?

What are we like for pedestrian KSIs - for killing children, for example? It's the bits that get left out that are the most notable, from my point of view.


*Unusually, there's a Mazda that scores higher for pedestrian safety than for the driver. I've looked at the figures over a period of time and this is the first time I've found one.
 
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Brandane

Legendary Member
Similar situation up here.
Road tragedies most days in the local press. :sad:
Going to work each morning in the passenger seat I get really wound up to see drivers quite obviously texting, etc when moving in slow traffic, also the lane weavers and would be rally drivers :ninja:.
I spend a fair bit of my working time up in your area, and I have to agree that it is exceptionally bad. You do have a good network of wee narrow "B" roads with good surfaces. The problem is that encourages some crazy fast driving, and it doesn't take much for someone to lose control with inevitable results. Hopefully the long awaited Aberdeen bypass will alleviate some of the horrendous traffic congestion around the Aberdeen area (the only place I have driven where there is consistently worse congestion is London!); because that seems to be what drives people onto the back roads. I know I am guilty of it at times; I would rather head out of Dyce to Kingswells then down the B979(?) to Peterculter and Stonehaven rather than face the queues through Aberdeen itself between 4pm and 7pm..
 

screenman

Squire
I drive a lot, I can honestly say I never think I am safe because of air bags, seat belts, crumple zones. I fact the do not even cross my mind.

Now I take it the most of the posters so far on this topic are drivers so I would be interested in what they think.
 

Mrs M

Guru
Location
Aberdeenshire
I spend a fair bit of my working time up in your area, and I have to agree that it is exceptionally bad. You do have a good network of wee narrow "B" roads with good surfaces. The problem is that encourages some crazy fast driving, and it doesn't take much for someone to lose control with inevitable results. Hopefully the long awaited Aberdeen bypass will alleviate some of the horrendous traffic congestion around the Aberdeen area (the only place I have driven where there is consistently worse congestion is London!); because that seems to be what drives people onto the back roads. I know I am guilty of it at times; I would rather head out of Dyce to Kingswells then down the B979(?) to Peterculter and Stonehaven rather than face the queues through Aberdeen itself between 4pm and 7pm..
Yes, think the bypass will make a huge difference, when it's eventually finished (seem to be getting on with it quite well).
Mr M will usually take the back roads to avoid queues.
We set off for work early and finish early as well to avoid the traffic.
 

NorthernDave

Never used Über Member
EuroNCAP is constantly updated, for example it is now very difficult for a car to get a 5* rating without AEB, which should reduce (or at least mitigate the severity of) collisions considerably as manufacturers will fit it as standard to get the coveted 5 stars.
It's likely that in a year or two that pedestrian safety will become a mandatory part of the assessment, meaning that once again it will start to become standard fit to most cars, with the benefits that brings.
 

Neilsmith

Well-Known Member
Everybody make mistakes, some people just make bigger mistakes and don't leave room for error
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
I drive a lot, I can honestly say I never think I am safe because of air bags, seat belts, crumple zones. I fact the do not even cross my mind.

Now I take it the most of the posters so far on this topic are drivers so I would be interested in what they think.
I think I must be hoping that the metal cage and seatbelts will do enough to save me if I do crash. I wouldn't do 70mph on my bike even if I could (I rarely go as fast as I physically can), after all, so what's the difference? I must think the car makes a difference and reassures me.
 

srw

It's a bit more complicated than that...
Ahh; Government stats; always reliable and meaningful. Not.
Apart from Drago's point re less miles being driven, let's look at motorcyclist fatalities. They actually ROSE between 2012 and 2013, despite the fact that the number of new motorcycles registered has been dropping since 2008 (some meaningless BS statistics of my own, gathered from your DfT link).
Ah. I see you've found the cherry, and picked it out diligently.

Every set of statistics under the sun shows that the roads have been getting consistently safer, for all road users- drivers, motorcyclists, cyclists, pedestrians, young, old, men, women - for about the last 60 years. And they continue to get safer, albeit with some statistical fluctuation.

Whatever your own personal anecdote says, the government stats are the best, most reliable and least frigged of any reporting of road danger.
 
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