Challenging Event Crash Helmet Rules

Discussion in 'Helmet Discussions' started by mjr, 5 Aug 2015.

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  1. TinyMyNewt

    TinyMyNewt An execrable pun

    Location:
    South coast, UK
    Our local Breeze rides, which have the laudable aim of encouraging more women to take up cycling and become more confident cyclists, involve a compulsion to wear a helmet on almost all the routes (strangely, the exceptions seem to be low-speed off-road rides where a helmet might just offer a small degree of protection, but let's leave that aside for the moment). The 'Breeze Champion' has been slightly apologetic about this when I spoke to her about it, but maintains that she has to say 'helmets compulsory' in order to be insured by British Cycling who fund the whole operation.

    Are you saying this isn't really the case @mjray? These are social rides with restricted numbers of participants, and no fund-raising or entry fees are involved.
     
  2. coffeejo

    coffeejo Ælfrēd

    Location:
    West Somerset
    I'm not longer a "Breeze Champion" but when I did my training a few years ago, we were told that the helmet thing was up to us but that participants could wear whatever they wanted, so long as they didn't present a danger to themselves or others (untied shoelaces etc).
     
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    mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    I was discussing Skyrides, not Breeze rides, but during a discussion in another place, I was told that BC doesn't force crash helmets on Breeze participants. However, many Breeze rides seem to be run by local BC clubs, many of which have crash helmet rules except where an outside body prevents them (usually time trials) and they carry them through to Breeze because BC doesn't require freedom of choice.

    Maybe you could suggest she double-checks that and finds out what policy says that, if you want?

    Despite my doubts about Breeze, I'd be just as interested about how anyone's managed to get a crash helmet rule removed from a Breeze ride that was initially advertised with one.
     
  4. Sara_H

    Sara_H Guru

    I was also told that Breeze participants aren't mandated to wear helmets, but leaders are. I applied to be a Breeze leader but withdrew when I found out about the helmet requirements.
     
  5. coffeejo

    coffeejo Ælfrēd

    Location:
    West Somerset
    We had to for the training but only then, not for future rides. Trainers did specify it was something to do with insurance.

    TBH, wish I'd not bothered but that's a discussion for a different thread.
     
  6. TinyMyNewt

    TinyMyNewt An execrable pun

    Location:
    South coast, UK
    That's very interesting, thank you both :smile:.

    That's also interesting, thanks. I like our local Champion, who is very committed to getting more women cycling and seems to be independent of any club, so I wouldn't be looking for any kind of confrontation with her. I too have all sorts of doubts about Breeze in general, but I also have more than one female cyclist friend who has welcomed the Breeze rides as a godsend. They like riding in a group that doesn't put them under time/speed/type-of-bike pressure, and that teaches them basic stuff that makes them more confident. All of them wish to wear helmets, which is their choice of course, but if I want to ride with them on these rides and encourage them I would like to be sure that there is more than just a spurious reason for me to subject myself to the plastic hat misery.
     
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  7. fossyant

    fossyant Ride It Like You Stole It!

    Location:
    South Manchester
    You have far too much time on your hands. Don't like the rules, don't ride.
     
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  8. ufkacbln

    ufkacbln Guest

    Intersting in that many organisations do not accept EN1078 as adequate for sports use.

    In the US events will not accept a helmet with EN1078 unless it passes a higher standard as well

    Equally UK Cycling Event states:

    Had he helmet passed a higher standard, would it have failed in th same way?

    What was the history of the helmet... was it poorly maintained, had it ever suffered a serious impact, or a series of minor impacts?
     
  9. TinyMyNewt

    TinyMyNewt An execrable pun

    Location:
    South coast, UK
    I'm sorry Fossyant, that's just not good enough, either as a criticism of me for wanting to cycle with my friends (you know nothing about how much time I might have for anything) or as a justification for a made-up and groundless rule about wearing an ineffective piece of plastic on my head to comply with a non-existent stipulation from an insurance company.
     
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  10. TinyMyNewt

    TinyMyNewt An execrable pun

    Location:
    South coast, UK
    And as someone posted not that long ago in SC&P: 'Yeah, get to the back of the bus Rosa.'
     
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  11. ufkacbln

    ufkacbln Guest

    I have been a Scout Leader for some 35 years and always used to encourage cycling

    I also used t arrange a Sponsored Cycle ride which brought in about half the Group's budget each year

    Then helmets became compulsory

    We now had to exclude boys from activities if they did not wear one, and exclude about the majority of the sponsored cycle ride participants


    I no longer organise either, the group has lost an important income and the boys their cycling activities
     
  12. w00hoo_kent

    w00hoo_kent One of the 64K

    The Guide movement is the same. My wife only does rides with the girls, and helmets hasn't lead to any exclusions as they all have them (bikes that aren't skip bound deathtraps is another issue, but they all have helmets), if I go along I make a point of being in a baseball cap.
     
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