Shall we forget the TMN business before it really takes hold just for once (or twice if we include the joke thread).  None of us will be looking through 40+ pages or making study notes when we have a good idea,  if someone has had it before,  fair play,  just shows it was a particularly good one. 
Otherwise this jolly good thread will die in a spiral of I said it first. & yes I know I've said it to @fnarr, I'm not proud of it.