Clarkson Suspended...

[w00hoo_kent]

In this way he deepened and sharpened the inherent satire and irony, it's a shame anyone fails to understand that, although to be honest if it were understood by everyone then there'd be nothing to satirise.

Yeah, you see I heard a panel of beard strokers saying the same thing about Marshall Mathers a few years ago, right up until Billy Bragg looked them in the eye and said "no, he's a misogynistic bully who is having excuses made for him by people who should know better" and they all shuffled a bit uncomfortably and realised they'd been praising the emperors new clothes. Likewise anyone who thinks Boris is a lovable buffoon. But I guess this is one of those points where huge chunks of people will agree to differ. Sometimes people are shaped by what the majority believe they are saying no matter what we might wish was going on, give a Die Antwoord gig a look if you need some proof.

 

[Cyclist33]

Well, that's a bit of a simplistic/short point. It's understood that being ironic doesn't necessarily excuse every sin, I mean one can be ironic about one thing and yet still offensively un-ironic about another.

Not sure what proof I would need to be seeking to refer to a band I've never heard of but I suppose I might take a look. Although I draw the line at artists who think they have something to say.

 

[perplexed]

Regarding the cost issues. If Clarkson's guilty and TG gets the bullet incurring costs for the BBC, would they not have recourse to recover monies from him through the courts?

As an aside, I'm surprised to see the support he's got by hundreds of thousands willing to display how they appear to condone alleged bullying.

 

[swee'pea99]

hundreds of thousands willing to display how they appear to condone alleged bullying

Just as UKIP's success has less to do with any UKIP 'policies' than with a need to vent 'a plague on all your houses' toward the entire political establishment, so Clarkson provides a lightning rod for all those who hate 'political correctness' and look back fondly on an earlier, simpler age where you could call a spade a spade and no-one took offence. (And a couple of grown men could have a bit of argy-bargy without bleedin' HR poking their noses in, then shake hands over a pint.) Curiously, some of such people's best friends are invariably black. And they can take a joke too.

 

[Levo-Lon]

Is the bloke on the bridge suing the bbc ..

im in my 50th year and never heard the term Slant..and being a builder id just think the bridge is leaning Which it was as it happens..maybe you lot with ya morals are actually the real problem, your certainly aiming all your hatred at one man .maybe your all racist but dont know it yet?

mind you he is white British

 

[swee'pea99]

never heard the term Slant..

Well, they had. Hence the 'joke'.

And I don't think anyone has expressed any hatred for JC. I for one find him intelligent, engaging and amusing, and I've always enjoyed his talent for taking the piss out of the over-earnest. I just don't think racism has any place on a public service broadcaster, nor do I appreciate what it says to the rest of the world about who we as a nation are.

 

[srw]

And I don't think anyone has expressed any hatred for JC. I for one find him intelligent, engaging and amusing, and I've always enjoyed his talent for taking the mickey out of the over-earnest. I just don't think racism has any place on a public service broadcaster, nor do I appreciate what it says to the rest of the world about who we as a nation are.

This. Until the last couple of series, TG was an amusing entertainment show, tangentially about cars. Clarkson was an OK host, and May and Hammond were both very good value. We didn't watch last year's series. I happened to catch most of an episode a couple of weeks ago, and it was dire. Terribly over-produced tosh, trying too hard to be funny.

James May was on Radio 3 a few weeks back, being interviewed for the weekday morning programme, and he was doing his damnedest to establish a persona beyond the foil for Clarkson's boorish humour. He genuinely knows an awful lot about music, has strong, interesting, well-argued opinions, and is also good in his other TV shows.

 

[John the Monkey]

[QUOTE 3584764, member: 45"]Anyway it's all ok. Cameron has said that Jem is his mate and he didn't mean anything bad from it, and he hopes it blows over and we can all have a jolly laugh about it.

Just the kind of interjection we want from a man who is currently trying to convince the nation that he's got what it takes to lead the country.[/QUOTE]
Will he be intervening in all cases of alleged violence at work, I wonder, or just this one?

 

[John the Monkey]

[QUOTE 3584772, member: 45"]Presumably it depends on how many votes it will win him.[/QUOTE]
Clearly I need to establish my "edgy" persona before i start my karate demonstrations at work then.

 

[Brandane]

Violence., The threat of violence, the implication of violence, its all a sackable offence, whats not to understand?

Jeez, you must work in a very intolerant place. Anywhere I have ever worked, including the Police service, and such conduct (unless extreme) would result in disciplinary action. No sacking unless a repeat offence.

 

[swee'pea99]

including the Police service

Part of the job description, surely?

 

[srw]

Jeez, you must work in a very intolerant place. Anywhere I have ever worked, including the Police service, and such conduct (unless extreme) would result in disciplinary action. No sacking unless a repeat offence.

I think that for just about any office/professional environment, actual violence would be gross misconduct. The threat of violence might well be as well.

 

[Brandane]

Violence isnt extreme?

It covers a wide spectrum, from handbags at ten paces to murder. It would seem from what is being reported so far that the JC incident is towards the former end of the scale. A storm in a tea cup.

 

[Brandane]

We dont know enough to make that comment yet.

Thought I had that covered with the "from what is being reported SO FAR" bit.

 

[srw]

Thought I had that covered with the "from what is being reported SO FAR" bit.

From what is being reported so far (that Clarkson has been suspended) we know that there is an allegation of sufficient seriousness to warrant the suspension of a major revenue-generator. That would tend to suggest that you are wrong.