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jonny jeez
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- Chislehurst, Kent, UK
Thank god...i thought i was the only one who could see this as a joke...i cant believe people actually think his last comment was serious, did they not see the expressions on his co presenters. The point was serious and one worthy if debate but in the same way as the presenters never read out a proper email address for viewer comment they make a point and then steer away...at the last moment from taking themselves seriously
david k
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- North West
I think disliking Clarkeson and TG is possibly snobbery and I'll try to explain why.
I listen to radio four Friday night comedy as a podcast, they often mimick other nationalities and go close to the bone and some may class this as casual racism.
So.
One is run for and by middle class intellectuals and seen as insightful irony to make a point in a humorous way
The other is run by and for(maybe) working classes and seen as ignorant I'll informed wise cracks by a Neanderthal
Class system at its worst?
I listen to radio four Friday night comedy as a podcast, they often mimick other nationalities and go close to the bone and some may class this as casual racism.
So.
One is run for and by middle class intellectuals and seen as insightful irony to make a point in a humorous way
The other is run by and for(maybe) working classes and seen as ignorant I'll informed wise cracks by a Neanderthal
Class system at its worst?
John the Monkey
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- Crewe
Clarkson is chums with the prime minister, famously a member of the "Chipping Norton set", and was privately educated. I'm not sure that positioning him in the "working class" is a winner.
(Edit: or relevant, for that matter, but it's not my argument, I suppose).
(Edit: or relevant, for that matter, but it's not my argument, I suppose).
nickyboy
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- You want hills? We got hills
This is the bit that doesn't make sense to me. If his contract was due to expire in a month or so then why does the BBC make such a big song and dance about this incident. Sure he can be managed out of the BBC but in doing so they've created a situation where 700,000 people have told them not to. These aggrieved folk will naturally follow Clarkson to his next venture. If the BBC had quietly done nothing and then allowed his contract to expire and not renew there would be far less damage to their Top Gear brand.
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User169
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Eh? Clarkson working class? He's the arch establishment figure: out there fighting the good fight for the oh so under-represented middle-aged man with a heightened sense of self-regard and self-entitlement.
Monsieur Remings
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- Yatton UK
I don't really give two hoots about what he thinks; he's the kind that feeds off being hated and loves being the scorn of the left, feminists, liberals, vegans etc. His drivel is almost validated by the outrage shown him, and so loved by the above types so aptly described by Delftse. You did forget supermarket denim and inadequately sized engines though Delftse...
No, I think they should sack him just for a laugh and to wind up the hundreds of thousands who want him reinstated and have even signed a petition!
It would certainly be entertaining in a morning coffee sort of way, reading all the '....this is a symptom of everything that's wrong with this politically correct country' type comments.
Go on Danny boy.
No, I think they should sack him just for a laugh and to wind up the hundreds of thousands who want him reinstated and have even signed a petition!
It would certainly be entertaining in a morning coffee sort of way, reading all the '....this is a symptom of everything that's wrong with this politically correct country' type comments.Go on Danny boy.
srw
It's a bit more complicated than that...
...and far more damage to their already very tarnished reputation as a responsible and ethical employer.
I suspect he's done them a favour - they no longer have the headache of renegotiating his contract, they don't have to buy out whatever long-term incentives they've previously been committed to, and they can show that good employment practices aren't side-stepped for a star.
david k
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[QUOTE 3585332, member: 45"]No. Clarkson is as much a comedian as Jeremy Kyle. Is JK being ironic as well?[/QUOTE]
Don't watch it mate
Don't watch it mate
david k
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- North West
Didn't know that but wasn't really my point, he aims to be down to earth for the people type of bloke (Whether you buy that or not) whilst the radio four programme has a different audience and type of presenter, yet both do similar things IMO, one is viewed as humorous as its by intellectuals and the other scoffed at as its an idiot (subjective)
Haitch
Flim Flormally
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- Netherlands
If Clarkson and Kyle mate, who's "it"?
John the Monkey
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- Crewe
I was responding specifically to this;
May is your best bet for that argument really, as he went to a comprehensive, according to wiki. (Again, from the same source, Hammond is part private school, part grammar).
I can't really respond to the argument you make in that latest post because its a little too vague for me to get a handle on, really. There's some decent writing out there on why people find Clarkson's humour problematic (and on comedy and offence in general). You can also find a fair bit decrying the state of radio 4 comedy, it's not universally loved; but then neither is it coining in the sort of cash and fame Clarkson is, so that's less newsworthy to the Sun et al.
If you want an example of a more "Radio 4" figure all over the papers, see Brand and Ross, maybe, from a while back. The blanket coverage of that was what pushed me into listening to World Service news rather than the regular BBC bulletins. Far less celebrity nonsense, rather more Nigerian elections. Mr Frankie Boyle (although not Radio 4, he might fit your oppsoite-Clarkson category?) went through a period where he probably had more people aware of his jokes via the Daily Mail than through his shows.
The Jogger
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- Spain
So he threatened the victim that he (Clarkson) would see to it that he ( the producer guy) would lose his job and now it looks like the only one that may lose his job is Clarkson, Feck him and good riddance.
classic33
Leg End Member
The BBC is facing a multimillion-pound bill over its decision to suspend Jeremy Clarkson from Top Gear, with foreign broadcasters eligible for compensation and rival TV companies poised to poach the embattled presenter.
Clarkson was suspended and two of the three remaining editions of the current series were pulled from the schedules after allegations that he punched a member of the production team after filming on location in Newcastle last week.
Top Gear co-presenter James May confirmed on Wednesday that Clarkson had been “involved in a bit of a dust-up”. Neither Clarkson nor the BBC would comment on reports that the presenter punched producer Oisin Tymon when no hot food was available after a day’s filming.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/mar/11/bbc-jeremy-clarkson-suspension-top-gear
Clarkson was suspended and two of the three remaining editions of the current series were pulled from the schedules after allegations that he punched a member of the production team after filming on location in Newcastle last week.
Top Gear co-presenter James May confirmed on Wednesday that Clarkson had been “involved in a bit of a dust-up”. Neither Clarkson nor the BBC would comment on reports that the presenter punched producer Oisin Tymon when no hot food was available after a day’s filming.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/mar/11/bbc-jeremy-clarkson-suspension-top-gear
Piemaster
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- UK City of Culture
Can't see any way the fracas would not have made it into the news at some point. The reason for the BBC dropping TG would have come out, you can't just not renew a money spinner without giving a good reason, especially as its a public body.
More interestingly it appears the miscreant reported himself to the BBC