Clarkson Suspended...

[User482]

Have you ever watched Alan Partridge? Or seen Coogan doing stand up?

Yes. You're going to have to explain your point, because it escapes me.

 

[Levo-Lon]

Whatever you do Dont mention the war..

 

[perplexed]

Steve Coogan nails it

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2011/feb/05/top-gear-offensive-steve-coogan

Pretty much on the money there...

 

[User482]

I did read the article. I'm sure that Clarkson et al would also say that if they said anything remotely racist or sexist the joke was also abundantly clear. It's not always an excuse.

Alan Partridge is a fictional creation. Coogan is lampooning racists and sexists by making Partridge the target of the joke.

 

[Piemaster]

I'm having a slow day......I wish someone would tell me what I'm thinking, because it's all to challenging at the moment.

You're thinking about tea and biscuits. Or at least you are now

I'd advise giving in to the urge.

 

[david k]

B

People are dumb, soap actors who play a baddie role get abuse in the street, not everyone can or does make the distinction from something so obviously fictitious as Coronation Street for example let alone something that has been marketed as a motoring journalism show with entertaining challenges thrown in.

Like it or not, there is a rump of society that takes the pantomime character JC has created for his TV persona as a real and authoritive figure on motoring and the acceptable attitudes they can have to it and fellow road users.

But coronation street is a drama, top gear is an entertainment show, completely different

 

[User482]

You might be able to find this on download somewhere...

"Steve Coogan live double bill. Recorded in 1994, 'Live 'n' Lewd' features Coogan as - amongst others - Paul and Pauline Calf, in a show hosted by Coogan's 'Knowing Me, Knowing You' co-star John Thomson. In 'The Man Who Thinks He's It', Coogan appears once again as the Calf siblings, plus singing sensation Tony Ferrino, stand up comic Duncan Thickett and chat show host Alan Partridge."

Edit: TMN to Smeggers.

 

[shouldbeinbed]

B

But coronation street is a drama, top gear is an entertainment show, completely different

Top gear has been sold over the years as a motoring review / journalism show. The 3 faces are all newspaper columnists and rooted in the journalism field, they are not perceived as actors playing a part but as themselves presenting a *pseudo* journalistic product.

You and I may have the balanced and nuanced view to see Top Gear as it really is, a comedy vehicle for pantomime characters but many people just haven't got that perspective.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

TMN territory but here goes.

If you are pro-clarkson and have signed the stupid petition how would you feel if someone assaulted you in the workplace and your boss said "Well we can't do anything because he is funny and popular and brings in loads of cash?"

(The "brings in loads of cash" was actually trotted out to me at London Metal Exchange in the mid-90's after a broker had thrown a large heavy monitor at me. I walked out. & said broker was there on the doorstep waving a wad of fifties in my face. I got my revenge a few days later.)

 

[jonny jeez]

[QUOTE 3585332, member: 45"]No. Clarkson is as much a comedian as Jeremy Kyle. Is JK being ironic as well?[/QUOTE]
I don't think Kyle is going for "comedian", so no I don't think he is being ironic.

Kyle *is* playing a persona though and one that has made him very well known, successful and wealthy. Good luck to him.

Personally I can't stand shows like his (along with all the "how to be a fantastic/crap parent/ driver/ weddingplanner/ child on holiday/ ex boyfriend on a beach/ unemployed drug addict" shows) which prey on our desire to feel superior. We watch open mouthed whilst we whisper to ourselves..."thank the Lord I am better than these losers"...but he seems (from those that I know have met him) to be a pretty decent chap.

I don't need that sort of negative confirmation and I certainly don't need reminding that a very small percentage of the population will live, or portray themselves to live, like this just to grasp a few moments of fame.

Btw, I know two people who have met clarkson. one found him to be more than a little intimidating, lacking in patience, abrupt but fairly quiet. She summarised by saying he is the exact opposite of the bumbling Baffoon who assumes all of life's problems can be solved with a hammer, the other was astonished at his range of reference on a few subjects and found she had a bit of a crush on him.

Neither have admitted to being star struck.

I don't know him nor have I ever met him but I do enjoy his TV persona.

 

[w00hoo_kent]

Btw, I know two people who have met clarkson. one found him to be more than a little intimidating, lacking in patience, abrupt but fairly quiet. She summarised by saying he is the exact opposite of the bumbling Baffoon who assumes all of life's problems can be solved with a hammer, the other was astonished at his range of reference on a few subjects and found she had a bit of a crush on him.

I guess it's really bad of me to presume that if either had been a 'he' then they'd have had a different view again... Damn that invasive public construct.

 

[swee'pea99]

the other was astonished at his range of reference on a few subjects

You only have to read his books or watch some of his non-TG tv documentaries on WW2 themes or engineering to recognise a very lively, intelligent and knowledgeable man. Unfortunately he's also cynical and lazy, and has long-since twigged that there's immense fame to be had and money to be made by pandering to the worst instincts of many of his countrymen. In his knee-jerk contempt for the po-faced, he's become indifferent to the toxic effect this has on the domestic culture, or the damage such distortions wreak on our image overseas.

I think we Brits are, for the most part, a decent and liberal-minded people, who believe in courtesy and fair play and take others as we find them, and whose basic philosophy could perhaps be best summarised as live and let live. I don't like the thought that I am tarred the world over with the Clarkson brush, and that TG watchers around the world will be predisposed to suppose me an arrogant, racist homophobe. The thought that I help finance it just rubs salt in the wound.

 

[Glow worm]

I think we Brits are, for the most part, a decent and liberal-minded people, who believe in courtesy and fair play and take others as we find them, and whose basic philosophy could perhaps be best summarised as live and let live.

That's probably fairly accurate until you jump on a bicycle and have to share the roads with them!

 

[Levo-Lon]

TMN territory but here goes.

If you are pro-clarkson and have signed the stupid petition how would you feel if someone assaulted you in the workplace and your boss said "Well we can't do anything because he is funny and popular and brings in loads of cash?"

(The "brings in loads of cash" was actually trotted out to me at London Metal Exchange in the mid-90's after a broker had thrown a large heavy monitor at me. I walked out. & said broker was there on the doorstep waving a wad of fifties in my face. I got my revenge a few days later.)

ask a footballer..they make a big thing about being touched with a fingertip..
as May said ,thought it was all something about nothing..

 

[Turbo Rider]

A little word of praise for the producers. With the camerapeople, they make a very professional team, and that team, in part, plays a significant part in making JC. And they have a right not to be pushed around because the man's tired and hungry. They're not caterers.

Quite right. if you're going to bully anyone, bully the caterers.