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Justinslow
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Isn’t everything on t’internet these days?
Common sense
- Thread starter Justinslow
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Doesn't matter what you wear when you are cycling, as long as you are legal with lights and reflectives at night. If drivers aren't looking properly, then you are in danger. The best aid to your visibility is your road positioning - i.e. ride where drivers are looking - well out from the edge and even further out approaching junctions.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
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- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Web search engines banned you again? No dictionaries in the house? Anyway, an honest mistake could be defined as one not hiding some intentional malice or recklessness. Alternatively, https://www.phrasemix.com/phrases/an-honest-mistake
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Justinslow
Lovely jubbly
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So you are saying people are deliberately smashing into cyclists in all cases?
If you smash into someone on your bike or in your vehicle and they get injured or worse because you made an “honest mistake”, the result is the same as if you were negligent, what’s the difference?
To me, this is what is missing in today’s world, a modicum of common sense from all parties including realising that every one of us could one day be at fault of causing or suffering from an “honest mistake” or negligence.
Wearing contrasting colourful clothing is not a bad thing just as all drivers should remain attentive at all times, but as we know, some drivers are not attentive just like some pedestrians aren’t or cyclists. I don’t think blaming one section of society - vehicle drivers, helps.
For what it’s worth I think the picture I linked is exaggerated massively but the general message is sound.
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
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They've basically cloned the shadow from the right onto where the child is in the other photo. What a load of rubbish. Are they suggesting all pedestrians including those in cars wear yellow?
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
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- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
How did you leap to that conclusion? No, I'm saying most are knowingly reckless!The honest mistakes are rarer.
All of us could make an honest mistake, but if anyone thinks you could be at fault of negligence, then please, for the love of humanity, don't drive until you sort out the cause!
What next? Wearing stab vests is not a bad thing just as all knife users should remain peaceful at all times, but as we know, some knife users are not peaceful just like some pedestrians aren't or cyclists. I don't think blaming one section of society - knife-using murderers, helps?
It really is not and that's why they have to exaggerate like weaselly toads.
Drago
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Indeed. If the message were sound then why the need for photoshop sneaky tactics?
They're the ones killing and maiming people. Small children standing by trees in vintage photos... not so much.
Pale Rider
Legendary Member
Reminds me of an exchange in a death by dangerous court case in which a lorry driver killed two road workers who were putting out cones.
The lorry driver said something about 'not seeing' the cone vehicle, to which the prosecutor said:
"The vehicle had an illuminated keep right sign approximately eight feet in diameter, the sign had a row of beacons above it.
"It had hazard flashers, two red lights, and four beacons, one at each corner, each approximately the size of a dinner plate.
"Yet you still didn't see it?"
The driver was convicted and got four years.
The going rate at the time for 'accidental' cases was about two years for each death.
Might get a bit longer now.
recumbentpanda
Veteran
The trouble with ‘common sense’ is that it’s not very common, and often makes no sense at all.
Tail End Charlie
Well, write it down boy ......
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The other trouble with common sense is that everyone thinks they have it, and everyone else doesn't! I've never heard anyone say "I've no common sense" and mean it.
Phil Fouracre
Veteran
Trouble is, it seems like a vague concept to so many people! Straying away from cycling/driving slightly, I’ve come across some seriously frightening examples of a complete lack of it in everyday life. Through work, being involved in gas and electrical faults it scares the hell out of me that otherwise ‘intelligent’ people show scant regard for seriously life threatening situations.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
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- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Hi-vis is the new urban camo, innit? https://road.cc/content/news/268709-cycling-phone-thieves-blending-wearing-hi-vis
Drago
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It becomes clutterflage when the roads are that busy.
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
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By being in hiviz you don't stand out and get noticed. You just blend into the every day and get forgotten. Many drivers have stories of so called ninja cyclists but not hiviz ones, the latter barely noticed .