Compulsory helmet cams?

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John the Monkey

Frivolous Cyclist
Location
Crewe
Something I wrote seemed to suggest to you that I think otherwise. I don't, so I'm sorry I inadvertantly misled you.

"I've bounced of many cars, I will bounce off many more" suggests an acceptance of the status quo that I find troubling - evidently I've misinterpreted.

My two serious "accidents" (actually, eminently preventable collisions) were driver at fault. In one case, the driver admitted fault (although the Police declined to proceed, despite the drivers' misjudgement of my speed/position &c).

In the second case (involving a bus) the driver disputed fault, and the police followed up so late that CCTV was "lost". A camera might have left me less out of pocket here, and not fuming that someone whose impatience cost me money, and a fair amount of skin essentially got off scot free.
 

Jezston

Über Member
Location
London
I think BSRU's 'close pass' video is an elegant piece of work.

Purporting to be from the 'HelmeCam Good' camp, in truth it takes the Mickey out of helmetcammery by showing a nothing incident and pretending to make something of it.

Good spoof there, BSRU. I feel a bit of a cad for revealing your motives...

I now wish I had a pair of cameras to catch every small hatchback overtaking me while the driver played cowboys.

If you think that hanging inches off someone's back wheel at 20mph in a car whilst making threatening gestures at someone is an acceptable way to drive, then I hope to hell I never encounter you on the road when you are driving.
 

BSRU

A Human Being
Location
Swindon
In the second case (involving a bus) the driver disputed fault, and the police followed up so late that CCTV was "lost". A camera might have left me less out of pocket here, and not fuming that someone whose impatience cost me money, and a fair amount of skin essentially got off scot free.

That's one of the problems, some people faced with a large bill, loss of no claims or loosing their job are quite wiling to lie/not admit fault because it suits them.
 

Bicycle

Guest
If you think that hanging inches off someone's back wheel at 20mph in a car whilst making threatening gestures at someone is an acceptable way to drive, then I hope to hell I never encounter you on the road when you are driving.


I just looked at it again.

I still think it's a nothing incident. Up to a point I still think it's a spoof, although I can see that it might be a serious posting.

That sort of tyre-hugging behaviour happens often when I'm out riding. I imagine it happens to almost everyone.

I don't see the cowboy games as threatening gestures. I think I know a threatening gesture and I think I know when someone's horsing about.

We may just need to disagree about that. Meanwhile, I'm not sure why you 'hope to hell' you never encounter me on the road while I'm driving. I do absolutely think it's a nothing incident, but I'm pretty sure I'd be embarrassed if I drove like that.

The driving isn't courteous, clever or particularly thoughtful. Most driving by most drivers is all three; this appears to be none.

Thinking nothing of something doesn't signify approval and doesn't mean I'd want to do the same thing.

I'm teaching my eldest to drive at the moment (she's also a very keen cyclist) and I think I'm teaching her to be lovely, nice, kind, couteous and considerate on the road.

(As a not-completely-related aside, it's amazing to see how she sees things from more than one perspective now that she's a driver and a cyclist. She seems better able now to predict and deal with the movement of vehicles).

:smile:
 

BentMikey

Rider of Seolferwulf
Location
South London
Well, certainly nothing much happened, but the driver increased the risk to BRSU unacceptably there, driving in a manner which would have caused him to fail his driving test.

Just because you think it's OK to tailgate a cyclist with less than a metre of space, doesn't make it acceptable, and BRSU was quite right to post that driver up on YouTube. I certainly make pushing back motions when drivers come too close behind me.
 

BSRU

A Human Being
Location
Swindon
I don't see the cowboy games as threatening gestures. I think I know a threatening gesture and I think I know when someone's horsing about.

Cowboy games, maybe in the 1970's but not these days.

I never wrote it was threatening gesture.

If you would be embarrassed to drive like that then it cannot be a nothing incident, it's a very minor incident that's quickly forgotten but it still shouldn't happen.
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
I just looked at it again.

I still think it's a nothing incident. Up to a point I still think it's a spoof, although I can see that it might be a serious posting.

:smile:

You seem to assume the behaviour/intentions are the same throughout. I don't read it like this at all. He clearly starts out with an excellent line if a little close messing around and light humoured and then they get bored and something snaps and he tries to drive as close as possible. The give away is the steering wheel, you can see one movement where his arm moves right over, far more than you would need on a simple curved road like that. He's done it maliciously and got totally rumbled by a video camera. The interesting thing is yet again, the video camera tells us stuff that you just wouldn't know normally.
 
I actually can't see how a helmet cam would have helped me in my recent left hook. The police, driver and witness all seemed to confirm my set of events, the police don't see it as an issue, they would if I was a car or motorbike. The driver thinks she isn't liable. So no benefit to having footage.

To note, I also can see bonnet-surfing becoming a regular part of my cycle to work.

Sod helmet cams becoming compulsory, the laws should be better aimed to protect cyclists. If drivers are unpunished and hitting a cyclist does relatively little damage to their car, why should they be fussed?
 

MrHappyCyclist

Riding the Devil's HIghway
Location
Bolton, England
The police, driver and witness all seemed to confirm my set of events, the police don't see it as an issue, they would if I was a car or motorbike. The driver thinks she isn't liable...

... the laws should be better aimed to protect cyclists. If drivers are unpunished and hitting a cyclist does relatively little damage to their car, why should they be fussed?
Presumed liability is the only way really to solve this problem, but the government isn't interested.
 

captain nemo1701

Space cadet. Deck 42 Main Engineering.
Location
Bristol
I got a contour hd helmet cam mainly to record cycling around Bristol and show folks how nice cycling can be etc. It's secondary use is to possibly catch those near-miss moments and try and educate people via the net about bad driving/riding etc. I once had a liquid spat in my face by a car passenger and would have used any cam footage to prosecute for assault.

Funny thing is, since I wear the cam on my helmet, drivers often give me a wide berth and the number of 'incidents' has dropped to almost zero:smile:.
 

Bicycle

Guest
Especially when the pro-drivinglikeadouchebag lobby is so powerful.


I realise that I may live in a different part of the UK, but I just don't get a sense that there's a 'drivinglikeadouchebag' lobby.

I've cycled almost all my life, much of it in city centres. I encourage my children to ride and find the cycling environment in the UK largely benign.

I have crashed bicycles (occasionally) through my own fault and found passers-by to be kind and helpful.

I've been walloped by cars and generally found the Police, ambulance crews and bystanders to be helpful (even the offending motorist on occasion).

There is a hugely powerful motor-industry lobby in the UK (SMMT), but it's all about selling cars, rather than being pro-car in traffic matters.

Things like the Scrappage Scheme and even year-related suffix/prefix registration plates are born of motor-industry lobbying... They are mighty and they are loud and they are clever and will stop at nothing to sell cars. They are good at it.

I don't imagine there's a cycling lobby in the UK to match it (or indeed any lobby outside the tobacco or arms industries).

But I don't know of any lobby that advocates driving like a douchebag. I'm not sure there needs to be one. There will always be those who need no lobbying to oblige. They are in a tiny minority.

Viewing some of the footage from helmetcammery, I do occasionally wonder whether some (not all) posters are getting themselves all hot and bothered in a self-justifying bubble of moral high-horsery.

I think some footage is wonderful, some entertaining and some of great benefit as a training tool. I could never condemn it.

But around the fringes there are helmetcam posters who display tendencies indicative of a 'bikes good, cars bad' mentality.

I find all that malarkey slightly creepy.

But I respect entirely the right of any cyclist to continue to entertain, guide and train us with footage that amuses or informs, even that occasional footage that that makes the poster seem slightly barmy.
 
If you think that hanging inches off someone's back wheel at 20mph in a car whilst making threatening gestures at someone is an acceptable way to drive, then I hope to hell I never encounter you on the road when you are driving.

I don't see the inches there, the overtake was pretty good imo (look at the front view) and the distance from the rear was okay - it was a bit closer prior to the overtake, but that is normal behaviour.

Except for the "pistol" hand sign, I don't see a problem. Even then, I don't see it as being malicious.
 

BSRU

A Human Being
Location
Swindon
I don't see the inches there, the overtake was pretty good imo (look at the front view) and the distance from the rear was okay - it was a bit closer prior to the overtake, but that is normal behaviour.

Except for the "pistol" hand sign, I don't see a problem. Even then, I don't see it as being malicious.

Agreed the front view shows a good overtake but the rear view shows them within 70cm of my back wheel.
The camera is set up so that if I can see the whole car I know they are more than 70cm's away from me.
My main point was it was unnecessary, as the front view clearly shows the road is completely clear.
 
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