Creationism book

[Spinney]

I understand the basic arguments but would like to see them in more detail.

I'm not sure there is a consistent argument.
Michael Behe has written books arguing for Intelligent Design.

For a flavour, take a look at the Answers in Genesis website. But then go onto TalkOrigins to find out the scientific view of what AiG have said.

 

[Lizban]

Thanks

 

[Mr Pig]

For someone who wants to think about the ideas of evolution without the biblical/Christian views included in the package, two spring to mind.

Evolution: A Theory In Crises by Michael Denton. A lot of technical issues with evolution discussed by a non-Christian molecular biologist. A few years old now but still a good read.

Darwin On Trial by Phillip Johnson. Very good introduction to some of the main problems with evolution. Not very in depth but made a big impact as it put lots of widely known info in the one place for the first time. An easy read. No Christian agenda pushed here either, just arguments for intelligent design.

One piece of advice I would give very strongly is to look at the facts and be honest. What I mean by that is that it's very easy to be swayed by what you want to be true and by other people's opinions and pressure. Evolutionists are often militant and aggressive and use any tactics to take your eyes off the facts and discredit scientists who do not bow to Darwin. You'll see it everywhere. What you need to do is cut through all the crap and look at the actual facts.

 

[marinyork]

That's a fair point. I guess though that biology is, in general, more readily understood by the man on the street so is perhaps easier to communicate.

Didn't Hawking create a bit of a brouhaha at one point with his "know the mind of God" statement?

Hawking has occasionally caused a bit of a stir, but it's nothing like the dislike of Dawkins. The know the mind of God stuff is as far as we can tell rather misinterpreted, rather like a lot of stuff Einstein used to say. There are some uncharitable views (put about by Dawkins and others) about why people would use the language they have. The know the mind of God stuff is really an attempt at metaphors of the problem right at the heart of physics. Only a few string theorists think that the answer to that one will be resolved any time soon.

My point was that if people want to get away from the personality about creationism for creationism to be utter rubbish you only need to read a few cosmology books. There isn't any of the cult of Dawkins. You only need to believe that either evolution is more or less right or cosmology is more or less right (or quite a few other things like geology) for creationism to be total nonsense. Of course that's not a particularly well rounded view but people may have limited reading time and focus on one.

One of the few properly creationist books I read doesn't appear to be for sale.

 

[Flying_Monkey]

What you need to do is cut through all the crap and look at the actual facts.

I agree.

So what are the 'actual facts' then?

 

[atbman]

When I first read about Intelligent (sic) Design, two questions occurred to me:
1. Why do I have nipples?
2. Why did God tell the Jews that the foreskin had been a terrible cock-up?

 

[onlyhuman]

The Bible tells you everything you need to know

Do you really think that numbnuts?