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Pross

Veteran
I was fully expecting to wake this morning to see an innings defeat but instead we have a Test match. I suspect the last two wickets will go cheap tomorrow and Head will smash the ball around for a 7 or 8 wicket win though.
 
What a great knock from Bethell.Played some lovely shots🏏..
Brooks is a frustrating player.Such talent but he always seems to give his wicket away cheaply and Crawley leaving that ball :angry:
We need Bethell to try and take all the bowling if possible tomorrow but i don't think that will be enough to stop another defeat.
 

T4tomo

Legendary Member
when i awoke for a pee in the early hours we were ~200-3 with Brook and Bethell going well and I was thinking hello a good evening session and we can really put a bit of pressure on them with say a 200+ lead at some point on day 5. however not to be...

Brook a bit unlucky with his dismissal for a change, it did turn a lot. Jacks however... brainless

Awesome knock from Bethell
 

deptfordmarmoset

Full time tea drinker
Location
Armonmy Way
What a great knock from Bethell.Played some lovely shots🏏..
Brooks is a frustrating player.Such talent but he always seems to give his wicket away cheaply and Crawley leaving that ball :angry:
We need Bethell to try and take all the bowling if possible tomorrow but i don't think that will be enough to stop another defeat.

Yes, really happy for the lad. But it's a mystery to me how he managed to get into the team while avoiding getting trapped in the Bazbubble.
 

T4tomo

Legendary Member
Yes, really happy for the lad. But it's a mystery to me how he managed to get into the team while avoiding getting trapped in the Bazbubble.

He's not a shoo-in and assured of his place like Crawley so had to bat sensibly?

Seriously though it was a well paced innings, moving the game on enough to wipe out deficit / build a lead without trying to change the course of a match in 1/2 a session.

If him and Brook had batted out the evening session together they would have been well placed to build a game saving lead, instead we lost 5 wickets...
 

albion

Guru
Location
Gateshead
Bethell seems to be the main positive we get from this tour, heralding the death of 'Bazball'.
Bazball was always 'kamikaze style' only ever possibly working when players are 100% in the zone.
 

Tashman

Well-Known Member
Bazball was never kamikaze in it's thought process, it was about transferring pressure. unfortunately it's "evolved" into the hit and giggle style without playing the actual situation.
The bowling/captaincy seems to have lost it's direction too currently. Some of the decisions on opneing bowlers and continued short ball bombardment are just odd,
 

Alex321

Guru
Location
South Wales
Bethell seems to be the main positive we get from this tour, heralding the death of 'Bazball'.
Bazball was always 'kamikaze style' only ever possibly working when players are 100% in the zone.

Well there is also the fact that England did win a test - which they hadn't managed in any of the last three Ashes series held there. Which goes back before "Bazball" was a thing.

And I think too many dropped catches and wayward bowling have contributed as much to the problems as bazball has.
 

albion

Guru
Location
Gateshead
Bazball was never kamikaze in it's thought process, it was about transferring pressure. unfortunately it's "evolved" into the hit and giggle style without playing the actual situation.
The bowling/captaincy seems to have lost it's direction too currently. Some of the decisions on opneing bowlers and continued short ball bombardment are just odd,

The 'transfer pressure' bit is always a gamble. Get it right and that happens without the gamble bit.
I am nit sure it ever evolved, it feeling more like 'the luck soon ran out'.
 

Tashman

Well-Known Member
The 'transfer pressure' bit is always a gamble. Get it right and that happens without the gamble bit.
I am nit sure it ever evolved, it feeling more like 'the luck soon ran out'.

perhaps it's more they no longer have the players able to do it. Broad and Anderson could squeeze teams, in it's initial days, Bairstow was phenomenol. They are trying to get square pegs in round holes it seems and lack depth.
 

Dogtrousers

Lefty tighty. Get it righty.
The 'transfer pressure' bit is always a gamble. Get it right and that happens without the gamble bit.
I am nit sure it ever evolved, it feeling more like 'the luck soon ran out'.

If you call coming up against a team that's just a lot better than you "bad luck" then yeah, their luck ran out.
 

Pross

Veteran
Lack of preparation was a major factor. It wasn’t a tour, it was just an overseas test series. That said, they put up a fight after losing the series. The fielding in the third test was abysmal and from what I’ve read was also poor in the first innings of this test. Had Bethell got better support from the middle order and the first innings fielding been better this could have been a 3-2 series.
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
Lack of preparation was a major factor. It wasn’t a tour, it was just an overseas test series. That said, they put up a fight after losing the series. The fielding in the third test was abysmal and from what I’ve read was also poor in the first innings of this test. Had Bethell got better support from the middle order and the first innings fielding been better this could have been a 3-2 series.

Let's face it the writing was on the wall long before they got on the plane. The ECB have big questions on just what is the view and plan for the overall state and direction of English cricket. The wider view of ones I know well in the know at lower county level. Is the ECB are clueless and the whole thing is built on shifting sand.
 
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