Cycle Super-Highways

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gaz

Cycle Camera TV
Location
South Croydon
Origamist said:
Gaz, your vid appears in the Guardian - Dave Hills London Blog:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/davehi...ohnson-cycle-superhighways-london-poor-review

PS The rider in front of you at the start of the clip is Clarion from YACF and a sometime CCer!

sweeeeet:wahhey:
 
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Origamist

Origamist

Legendary Member
CTC response to the CSs:


"We have concerns that the design quality of the superhighways is too low for the
expected growth in cycling over the next 15 years.

CTC believes that the design of these facilities, based primarily on the application
of advisory cycle lanes using a different colour paint, fails to take into account the
interventions higher up the Hierarchy of Solutions, namely reducing the volume
and speed of motor traffic. Whilst we understand the need for continuity to ease
wayfinding and improve confidence, the quality of the routes would benefit the
most through measures that dealt with the problems associated with motor traffic
first.

The use of the London Cycling Design Standard minimum width of 1.5 m is
inappropriate for something marketed as a ‘superhighway’ since this gives
insufficient widths for two cyclists to travel side by side. We believe that the cycle
superhighways should be a minimum of 2 metres wide. This is the approach
taken to infrastructure in parts of Europe where cycle flows are very high, such as
in Denmark, where the use of blue painted cycle lanes is common.

Like the problems with the LCN+, the Cycle Superhighways appear to be doing
little to tackle the major junctions which are the most significant barriers, both
physical and psychological, to new cyclists.

In all other regards we believe the Cycle Superhighways project to be of
considerable value, especially the provision of targeted cycle training and other
smarter travel measures."

 
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Origamist

Origamist

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They have reinstated the yellow box junction markings at Tooting Bec and it now goes over the CS at Upper Tooting Rd and Tooting Bec Rd:

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This is how the same junction looked a week ago:
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StuartG

slower but no further
Location
SE London
fossyant said:
Ignore my 'ignorance' - but a few pots of blue paint here and there make a cycle super highway....?????
Errrr ... apparently. The bigger question is what colour would make it a cycle hyperhighway?
 

gaz

Cycle Camera TV
Location
South Croydon
Origamist said:
I don't know much of this route, but i hope they get rid of that pavement facility on the way to chelsea bridge and extend the bus lane all the way up there.

fossyant said:
Ignore my 'ignorance' - but a few pots of blue paint here and there make a cycle super highway....????? (not being from the big smoke).... :hyper:

At present they are just adding it to certain junctions (at least i hope!!)
 
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Origamist

Origamist

Legendary Member
gaz said:
At present they are just adding it to certain junctions (at least i hope!!)

At present it is at three sites along CS7 and it is being trialled. There is therfore some hope that it might improve after the trial phase.

I was reading elsewhere that they are using two different types of surfacing to see which is better. I had noticed this (one is smooth, the other is more textured), but I assumed this was a contractor error and not an experiment!

I also understand that businesses along the route have been asked to stagger delivery times of goods/merchandise.
 

gaz

Cycle Camera TV
Location
South Croydon
Origamist said:
At present it is at three sites along CS7 and it is being trialled. There is therfore some hope that it might improve after the trial phase.

I was reading elsewhere that they are using two different types of surfacing to see which is better. I had noticed this (one is smooth, the other is more textured), but I assumed this was a contractor error and not an experiment!

I also understand that businesses along the route have been asked to stagger delivery times of goods/merchandise.

Is the one at union road smoother? i haven't been on the other but i feel that under heavy breaking you could lose it.
 

gouldina

New Member
Location
London
fossyant said:
Ignore my 'ignorance' - but a few pots of blue paint here and there make a cycle super highway....????? (not being from the big smoke).... ;)

Yes yes. They're blue! Don't you get it? It's like double _red_ lines. You can't park on double yellows but double red lines you _really_ can't park on. That's why blue cycle lanes are extra-special. They're like normal cycle lanes but more so and blue. I hope that clears the issue up to your satisfaction.

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Titan yer tummy

No meatings b4 dinner!
Penge to London

StuartG said:
Anybody here got an interest in the projected CS6 route (basically the 176 route Penge - Sydenham - Forest Hill - East Dulwich - Camberwell - Elephant & Castle joining CS1)?

Some interesting challenges on the route and it would be good to see it user rather than planner led. That's if we think it a good enough idea. At least we will have the experience of CS1 to evaluate it ...

This is my route. I currently use the back roads, bridleways and park etc. Although my journey into Holborn is about a mile longer than it needs to be it will take a lot to make me use the Super H. I tried the S H route recently and was nearly taken out twice before I got as far as Beckenham War memorial: the second event really was highly dangerous and really put the wind up me, if I could have got his number I would have reported him and gone to court over it.
 

StuartG

slower but no further
Location
SE London
Re CS6:
Titan yer tummy said:
This is my route. I currently use the back roads, bridleways and park etc. Although my journey into Holborn is about a mile longer than it needs to be it will take a lot to make me use the Super H. I tried the S H route recently and was nearly taken out twice before I got as far as Beckenham War memorial: the second event really was highly dangerous and really put the wind up me, if I could have got his number I would have reported him and gone to court over it.

Two issues here. which route is best and then how do enhance it (invite it as the Copenhagens would say).

There appears a conflict amongst the planners as to whether it should go along main roads or hide away on parallel back roads. Its a choice between being with dangerous moving traffic or being sandwiched between parked cars on very narrow residential streets where there is no room even for delivery vehicles.

Unless they ban parking of course. Can't see that happening.
 
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