Cycle Super-Highways

[Origamist]

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ4JAbqcpQM

Video of the segregation in use.

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRIpeo32V80

 

[gaz]

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRIpeo32V80

Thats a great perspective, and having the bus in front shows what can't fit there.

Having been using it, do you think it has added anything so far to the junction?

I, unfortunately, don't have much experience of the junction at rush hour, so i can't comment on how i feel about it so far.

 

[Origamist]

Thats a great perspective, and having the bus in front shows what can't fit there.

Having been using it, do you think it has added anything so far to the junction?

I, unfortunately, don't have much experience of the junction at rush hour, so i can't comment on how i feel about it so far.

I think they've still got to put a 1.5m blue lane in there, but I'm not certain if it's going to be on the A203 or A3 lane. What's more, I'm not sure which is option is worse.

I'm pretty sure the purpose of segregating the moving traffic lanes is to slow traffic as the routes diverge and to stop lane swopping at the last minute. However, if you get squeezed you've now got limted escape options, unless you can bunny-hop kerbs at tight angles.

As for the short section at Stockwell Terrace, I'm struggling to see how that helps anybody.

 

[Origamist]

As you may know, Cycle Superhighway 7 is due to be launched shortly and some of us carried out a quick cycle count on Balham High Road this
morning in order to gather some 'before' data.

We covered the morning peak period 0700 - 0900 and stood on Balham High Road directly opposite Psubliminal cycle shop for those who know it
(immediately north of the junction with Ravenswood Road).

My totals for the period 8 - 9 o'clock were 345 inbound (i.e. south to
north, heading towards Clapham South) and 48 cyclists outbound.

So that's a total of 393 cyclists in the hour 0800-0859 with 88% inbound
and 12% outbound.

Peak flow periods were 0825-0829 for inbound travel, with 41 cyclists,
and 0830-0834 for outbound travel, with 7 cyclists.

The period 0825-0829 was my overall peak time period, with a total of 45
cyclists in both directions of travel. Numbers tended to tail off
gradually after 0830.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wandcyclists/message/6060

 

[Origamist]

This is the section that really interests me (Oval tube to the A23/A3 junction):


View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fITTlehfLU


At the moment, the CS lane is of no use to cyclists going straight on (like me in the vid). My strategy is to sprint to 30mph if I'm at the front of the traffic at Oval (in the centre of the road), but that's hardly a tactic that all cyclists can use.

I'm hoping CSs will do something to help cyclists heading toward the E&C, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[gaz]

This is the section that really interests me (Oval tube to the A23/A3 junction):


View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fITTlehfLU


At the moment, the CS lane is of no use to cyclists going straight on (like me in the vid). My strategy, is to sprint to 30mph if I'm at the front of the traffic at Oval, but that's hardly a tactic that all cyclists can use.

I'm hoping CSs will do something to help cyclists heading toward the E&C, but I'm not holding my breath.

LOL good luck to the average cyclist trying that!

It looks like they have burnt some road markings just before the filter lane just before the lights at the end. possibly they might add something. If they don't then that is a big bummer!



Thanks interesting information in the first post. I'm sure if they went further along the route, the numbers would increase quite a bit.

 

[Origamist]

LOL good luck to the average cyclist trying that!

It looks like they have burnt some road markings just before the filter lane just before the lights at the end. possibly they might add something. If they don't then that is a big bummer!

Thanks interesting information in the first post. I'm sure if they went further along the route, the numbers would increase quite a bit.

They've removed some centre line markings and have burnt off much of the existing cycle lane. The ASL is in limbo at the moment.

Here's what they proposed:

Building out the footway slightly at the bus stop; narrowing the central island along Kennington Park Road; and improving the layout of the island at the junction with Brixton Road. Pedestrian access will be maintained throughout this period, but may be slightly restricted at times as the work progresses. Resurfacing of the roadway at the junction. No side roads will be closed while this work takes place, but the northbound A23 will be closed at its junction with the A3. Traffic will be diverted via Camberwell New Rd, around the Oval and back onto Kennington Park Rd.

Minor civil engineering works, coloured surfacing, lining, signage and traffic signal works

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/CS7_Implementation_Schedule_08.06.10.pdf

IIRC, the count at Kennington in the morning rush hour in summer is closer to 800 cyclists between 8-9.

 

[Origamist]

Gaz, your vid at Tooting Bec again:

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2010/06/30/cycle-superhighways-looking-well-a-bit-rubbish/

 

[Origamist]

This is the section that really interests me (Oval tube to the A23/A3 junction):


View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fITTlehfLU


At the moment, the CS lane is of no use to cyclists going straight on (like me in the vid). My strategy is to sprint to 30mph if I'm at the front of the traffic at Oval (in the centre of the road), but that's hardly a tactic that all cyclists can use.

I'm hoping CSs will do something to help cyclists heading toward the E&C, but I'm not holding my breath.

Looks like a few other people are thinking the same thing as me:

http://realcycling.blogspot.com/2010/07/kennington-cross-no-joined-up-thinking.html

 

[gaz]

Gaz, your vid at Tooting Bec again:

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2010/06/30/cycle-superhighways-looking-well-a-bit-rubbish/

Meanwhile, the excellent New York-based online magazine, Slate, has a piece about superhighways around the world. It takes in Johnson’s blue lines and points out it’s early days for the Mayor’s plans. Even the genuinely super lanes in the Netherlands and Denmark took a time to evolve. Should I cut Boris some slack?

A good statement.


I saw something quite bad at stockwell today. Someone was using the same line as in my vidoe, and at the end of the first section they cut in without looking. Right in front of a HGV who slammed his brakes on and blasted his horn. The cyclist continued totally oblivious!

 

[Riding in Circles]

Probably listening to his iPod.

 

[Origamist]

More film of CS7:

Stockwell to Oval:

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__PvN20QUJU


Tooting Bec to Balham

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Sth8EhWADw


Kennington towards E&C:

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APhzCsrk6i4


It also appears that there are 3 types of surfacing being used. At first it was the slick paint and high traction carpet, now we've also got the crazy grit.

 

[gaz]

The grit feels really weird.

 

[style over speed]

The grit feels really weird.

theres grit being laid down this evening on the southern half of clapham road if you want to go and see how its done.

 

[Origamist]

Stockwell segregated facility: