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Do aliens exist?


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Oldhippy

Cynical idealist
No country on earth currently admits publicly they are in contact with any advanced species. Some do acknowledge, including the US, France and a number of South American countries that there is definitely something out there and it certainly isn't theirs or anyone else's due to mind bending performance characteristics that defy all we currently know about flight, thermo dynamics and propulsion systems. Were any large nation in possession of such technology, we would follow follow our usual path of dominating all else using human history to date that proves repeatedly the most powerful will behave this way
 
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You’d know that a sample size of one is statistically meaningless. Plus I think you are ignoring how advanced other species on earth are.

Yes - I think I said that - certainly meant to say so

and as far as advanced is concerned - it depends on how you define it

In terms of how a species from another planet goes - I was thinking of the versions where "advanced" means that they have some sort of civilisation and are capable of large scale manufacturing using logistics across large areas

e.g. mining ores from different parts of the planet and bringing them together in another part
which requires transport and co-operation
and probably they would want to see transport concepts such as powered flight

but who knows - the Aliens might see some things we think of as advanced as trivial
and might see some simple things as incredible

and we might be unable to even conceive of some things they have been able to do since ancient times
 

Oldhippy

Cynical idealist
Probably the first and biggest advance humanity has ever made is consciousness, everything else has been a consequence of that. Self awareness is the beginning of a long road to where we are now. Were we able to elevate that to levels whereby we could communicate without speech and understand other lifeforms from their perspective we would defacto be able to do anything we desired. Are other earthbound species capable of consciousness in a way we understand no. It doesn't mean they aren't however. There is no logical reason why a civilisation from somewhere else has not achieved this. Using our parameters of what would happen to any other civilisation is pointless.
 
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Oldhippy

Cynical idealist
The recent congressional hearings in the States featuring people involved with this scenario is easily found and the French and other military services around the world have published materials explaining this. It is not, I repeat not the mad tin foil hat brigade alluding to these things. They just make studying seriously a subject of this nature all the difficult for all the obvious reasons.
 

roubaixtuesday

self serving virtue signaller
The recent congressional hearings in the States featuring people involved with this scenario is easily found and the French and other military services around the world have published materials explaining this. It is not, I repeat not the mad tin foil hat brigade alluding to these things. They just make studying seriously a subject of this nature all the difficult for all the obvious reasons.

So, no link to these acknowledgements.

For the avoidance of dount, nobody has acknowledged, as you claim upthread, the existence of " mind bending performance characteristics that defy all we currently know about flight, thermo dynamics and propulsion systems. "
 

Oldhippy

Cynical idealist
This is correct. I rely on published documentation in book format mainly. Stanton Friedman, Richard Dolan, Dr Gary Nolan from the SOL Institute are some of the most notable academics in the field.
 

cyberknight

As long as I breathe, I attack.
They need to check @Drago underwear 😉
Scientists have just made history by moving stuff faster than light under lab conditions aka a warp field so who knows?
 

Oldhippy

Cynical idealist
BBC, SKY and many international broadcasting companies ran pieces on the Congressional Hearings in to anomalies in the earth's atmosphere with many high profile specialists.
 
As they acknowledge this, you'll be able to provide a link to these acknowledgements...

Acknowledging that "something is out there" could be anything from
a) They have contacted me and I have been on their spaceship - and have sex with them

to

b) given the size and variety of the universe and the starts and planets in it then there, even if we are way off on our thinking of the odds of life developing, then there still MUST be some life out there - and probably intelligent life

so it all depends on the acknowledgement
 

roubaixtuesday

self serving virtue signaller
BBC, SKY and many international broadcasting companies ran pieces on the Congressional Hearings in to anomalies in the earth's atmosphere with many high profile specialists.

Yes, there is a huge difference between not being able to explain every observation ever made and your claim, which was the existence of " mind bending performance characteristics that defy all we currently know about flight, thermo dynamics and propulsion systems. "
 
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