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Cycling Down?

Discussion in 'CycleChat Cafe' started by spandex, 4 Jun 2008.

  1. I was watching the news this morning on BBC and a report came on saying that cycling was down all over the U.K. All but London where it is up by 10%.

    The base of this going by the BBC is that cycling is still thort of as a pore man's form of trasport! how can this be. My sister got her first car for £80 yes it was a banger but it was a car with all the running costs. Is it not the same with cars as for bikes!

    Price bands


    Bike - Car - Seen as

    £50 to £100 - £80 to £600 A cheep banger

    £100 to £270 - £600 to £1000 Bace line commuter

    £270 to £500 - £1000 to £5000 Getting to the nice bits

    £500 to £1000 - £5000 to £10000 Some nice bits of kit

    £1000 up £10000 up. Some one thats got cash



    I dont get it if some one can spend £1000 on a bike they have to have some cash. And as we all know the running costs are less on a bike then a Car so is it not the one with the Bike is the wise one not the pore one?
     
  2. summerdays

    summerdays Cycling in the sun Staff Member

    Location:
    Bristol
    I don't know ... they said cycling was cheap ... I must be one of the exceptions the way I keep thinking about spending on the bike ... (and I'm not half as bad as some of you lot:biggrin:).
     
  3. OP
    OP
    spandex

    spandex I love Dr D

    A mate of mine is not happy if he has not spent at least £1000 a year:ohmy: on his bikes
     
  4. Plax

    Plax Veteran

    Location:
    Wales
    I think it's the more "well off / middle class" that tend to make the majority of cyclists up. Certainly round here. I've seen a couple of "poor" looking people in normal clothes on MTB's (POB's) then the rest are what I would call "middle class / well off". They are the ones in all the gear on the Trek's, Cannondales & Specialized road bikes etc (I'm really sad and when my bf is driving I have to check out all the bikes people are cycling when we go past). Since I've had my Dawes Ultra Galaxy I've had a lot more of these roadie types saying hello or nodding at me, whereas on the Hybrid they tended to just cycle past. Snobs or what! I'll say hello to anybody me.
    I'd put myself in the middle class category, and I'm not interested in cars so I have an old banger. I'm more practical and like small cars that are economical to run and you can get all sorts of crap in the back. I'm loving my Galaxy as in a similar vein, you can get all sorts of crap on the pannier rack and it's cheap to run!
     
  5. HelenD123

    HelenD123 Veteran

    Location:
    York
    I thought the BBC said cycling in London was up by 83%, but that was since 2000.

    I see a real mixture of cyclists on my commute, not particularly those that are poor.
     
  6. Crock of Gold

    Crock of Gold Guest

    Location:
    London
    I remember reading an article recently which I will now completely rethrash, misrepresent and half-remember (probably).

    The richest 10% cycle 2.5x further then the poorest 10% in any given year.

    Yes - cycling in London certainly seems to be a middle-class thing. Esp with cyclesheme I guess which allows those in clued up workplaces to buy trendy nice gear.

    Having said that, cycle commuting (as I do from the burbs into Central London) is still seen, I think, as something weirdo, rare and poor people do. Here is a list in lieu of a reasoned argument, which is too much hard work at this point. No lazy assumptive prejuidice is, of course, involved.

    Type 1: Cyclist couple with shiny new MTBs and two kids on MTBs in Richmond Park.

    Comment: They drove the mile to the Park in their 4x4/estate/people carrier

    Class: Middle-Class

    Type 2: Person in suit; helmet on a sit-up and beg with briefcase on the back.

    Comment: Only cycling a mile or two across town.

    Class: Deffo Middle-class. Unless he has a car following behind with his shoes in which case he is the leader of the opposition and upper-class

    Type 3: Bloke in workboots; paint-splattered shirt, no helmet and viz-vest on a too small MTB.

    Comment: Cycling due to drink-driving ban.

    Class: Unskilled

    Type 4: Bloke cycling to work in office shoes; trousers and no helmet.

    Comment: Can’t afford car; on lowest rung of the wage-ladder.

    Class: Unskilled; untrained lower class.

    Type 5: Person on decentish hybrid / lower end of market roadbike; helmet; viz.

    Comment: Sees the sense in commuting instead of catching the train

    Class: Lower-middle (me)

    Type 6: Got the gear

    Comment: Got the gear

    Class: Ubiquitous

    Type 7: All the others

    Comment: Either too young or too poor to drive. A car is their aspiration.
     
  7. yenrod

    yenrod Guest

    I think it was Giant who started the cycling price increases: it was after I seen a advert for a gold & black Giant for 4 or 5000 pounds that bikes got stupid in price..
     
  8. Paulus

    Paulus Getting older by the minute

    Location:
    Barnet,
    It may of been reported by the BBC, but it depends on who commissioned the report. Many of these surveys have agendas behind them and most are not to be trusted.
     
  9. OP
    OP
    spandex

    spandex I love Dr D


    You are half right Giant was the 2nd to put up there price's Dawes was the first they put theres up by 15% because of the cost of metal/rubber....

    That is a good point I've been phoning round all the LBS that know me. They are all saying the same Bike sales are up and accessorys are up by loads. So you may be right Mr Paulus
     
  10. summerdays

    summerdays Cycling in the sun Staff Member

    Location:
    Bristol
    I love your sterotyping Crock of Gold ......:biggrin: esp the disqualified driver ... :biggrin: it will give me something new to do on the bike - categorising them.
     
  11. sheddy

    sheddy Veteran

    Location:
    Suffolk
    I blame the BBC. When did you last see a bike feature on TV ?
     
  12. HelenD123

    HelenD123 Veteran

    Location:
    York
    The woman on the news did a pretty good job this morning I thought. Apparently she cycles to work herself. She neatly sidestepped the helmet debate...
     
  13. GrahamG

    GrahamG Über Member

    Location:
    Bristol
    You can't trust these figures one bit - I'd take the anecdotal evidence from bike shops and what all you guys see everyday over that article. Reason? Outside London there is very little traffic monitoring that will include pedal cycles in the counts (London will be better because of their cycling targets and the amount of development meaning that traffic surveys are continuously taking place all over the shop to include manual counts which will pick up on cycle traffic). I've spoken to a few people in cycling/sustainable transport roles in local authorities and they have all been unable to say whether or not cycling is on the increase as they just can't afford to monitor levels in a way that will provide a genuinely robust measurement.
     
  14. alecstilleyedye

    alecstilleyedye nothing in moderation Staff Member

    just out of interest, how many london cyclists started in the wake of 7/7?
     
  15. Crock of Gold

    Crock of Gold Guest

    Location:
    London
    Not sure if that would be a good reason.

    Especially since that car bomb was left outside Tiger Tiger. If that had worked I'd much rather been in Tiger Tiger with a few bottles of beer inside me then on a bike just cycling past.

    And I'm certain that the odds of being blown up on Public Transport by some nutter with a bomb are nowhere near the odds of being roadkill (which is relatively low anyway).