Cycling on roads is getting worse..

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newfhouse

Resolutely on topic
I was in belgium for a bit last year, cars bowed down to the cyclist whenever we needed to use the roads. Its a cultural issue
This. I spent ten days pootling from Hoek to Copenhagen last Summer, my first time cycling outside the UK. It took me a while to overcome my London commuting reflexes and have confidence that drivers would naturally give way to me at road junctions.
 

al78

Guru
Location
Horsham
Well its not a path its a new cycle lane[sorry]Parsonage road or is Parsonage lane?

Ok, yes that one is crap, too narrow and a poor surface, it shouldn't be on a road that narrow, there isn't the room to do a proper job.
 

Profpointy

Legendary Member
Ok, yes that one is crap, too narrow and a poor surface, it shouldn't be on a road that narrow, there isn't the room to do a proper job.

There's a quite profound but also, one would have thought, obvious point there. If the road's wide enough for an on-road cycle lane, it's not needed, and if it's not wide enough, then the lane creates a lot of extra risk for the poor cyclist
 
Location
North West
Cycling up here seems pretty good. Lots of cyclist, Lancaster council/Morecambe has invested a lot in cycle paths and routed and been on the door step of the lakes we are spoilt for choice on where to cycle. Sure there are knobs and others may have tales of woe but I find it no worse then when in car or out on motorbike. Agree it's a cultural thing and maybe around here it's more accepted and a common site so pretty good.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
There's a quite profound but also, one would have thought, obvious point there. If the road's wide enough for an on-road cycle lane, it's not needed, and if it's not wide enough, then the lane creates a lot of extra risk for the poor cyclist
If the road's wide enough, it shouldn't be needed, but the amount of bloody motorists that won't even move to the rightmost of a wide lane to pass means that is can be helpful. I agree completely about when it's not wide enough, though: almost all sub-2m lanes should be removed, as far as I can recall.
 
Cycling around the country lanes of Essex it's not too bad. You do get the odd close pass and idiot but generally it's the exception not the rule.

This all reverses as soon as I return from my ride and get back in my local town (Rayleigh) then as soon as it get's built up close passes and moronic behaviour are the rule not the exception.

Interestingly early morning in town it's not too bad it's only late morning - 11am ish onwards or when all the Sheeple come out and about that it all changes
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
This all reverses as soon as I return from my ride and get back in my local town (Rayleigh) then as soon as it get's built up close passes and moronic behaviour are the rule not the exception.
I have a theory about that: I suspect too many motorists see speed limits as targets even when they enter an area so busy that stimuli are occurring faster than they can process them correctly. Rather than slow down a bit and relax, they fail to handle of many of them, especially relatively rare ones like cycles, getting more and more flustered and stressed as they get further into the area and so making more and more poor decisions. Most speed limits are set a bit high for stimuli density because the highway planners see it as a limit not a target.

This is why when you're in a less-built-up-than-usual bit of a speed limit (the classic 30mph road that looks like a 40, for example), you get fewer incidents - except for the speeding nutters.
 

Karlt

Well-Known Member
Too much emphasis by instructors and examiners on "making progress" IME.
 
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