Cyclist assaulted by white van man.

[Cubist]

It certainly is a good post, I shall give it a like, even though I didn't get a mention

 

[jonny jeez]

I am just shocked at how these road rage incidents are getting more and more out of hand. It seems the stress of the recession is causing people to boil over.
Fortunately (touch wood) I have never been physically assaulted. I have had plenty of people get out and shout in my face but I think my calm attitude has calmed them down. The guy in the video didnt even give you the chance to say anything though. He got out and immediately hit you.

I delivered a report yesterday that contained statistics about cycling related collisions. It said that driving and walked have become more safe but cycling has stayed the same for at least 10 years. Cycling isnt getting more or less dangerous, so something drastic needs to change.

They're not, they are just being captured on video more often is all.

 

[jonny jeez]

Well you know, the WVM was probably thinking of the cost of having to remove the dent from the panel of his precious piece of metal, rather than the cost of hitting the cyclist, let alone the cost of washing blood from his vehicle...

Actually it may be cheaper to have hit the cyclist than to beat the dent out of the panel...

Yes, I am being over the top and a bit dramatic here, but these people just don't think.

Its common nature. There was a tale on these pages, this week, from a member who knocked off a cyclist as a preference to hitting a car.

Even we get that bit wrong, we see the danger to us and not others and forget that insurance and air bags will mean that hitting another car will likely cause no injury, just create aggro..so we go for the soft target.

Like i say its common nature, unfortunately

 

[jonny jeez]

I have heard that a carton of cream , dumped into the ventilation grille at the top of the bonnet, has a terrible and lasting effect.

Brilliant.

So now we need to carry potatoes, newspapers and pots of cream to consider ourselves cyclists.

I think i shall ignore this advice and just ride

 

[ianrauk]

Brilliant.

So now we need to carry potatoes, newspapers and pots of cream to consider ourselves cyclists.

I think i shall ignore this advice and just ride

I likes yer style Johnny...

 

[Markymark]

So now we need to carry potatoes, newspapers and pots of cream to consider ourselves cyclists.

Sounds lovely...read the paper whilst making a tasty dauphinoise potatoes.

 

[HLaB]

I haven't read the entire thread just watched the clip...

I hope that guy gets put inside, what a tosser.

Ive not read all 8 pages either but I think the jist of is that WVM got let off with a caution (edited following Cubist's reply see post 148) despite a clear assault. Then a side debate happened as to the OPs action they claim WVM had hit their Elbow and other say it sounded more like a punishment slap (or whatever its called); regardless of being provoked or not it was still a clear assault and IMO WVM should still have been charged with assault!

 

[BigonaBianchi]

..well if that isn't an assault I don tknow what is.

 

[Schooner]

When I watched the vid I thought it was obvious the rider had hit the van. What surprised me was how long it took this thread to identify that.
The van was close but didn't hit the rider so hard to say it was too close.
There is no excuse for the rider hitting the van and I would have liked to heard that the police gave him a warning (or more) for creating the situation and then falsifying his statement. It is nobbers like this that drive the wedge between cyclists and drivers.
Oh, and I would have decked the WVM had he punched me, but then I am 6ft2 and can handle myself. However I wouldn't have hit his van in the first place due to my respect for other's property, and so wouldn't be in that situation.

 

[Matthew_T]

They're not, they are just being captured on video more often is all.

But why dont these people see the camera and then calm down? Like the guy in this video:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uasLE9tFbFI

If I hadnt been wearing a camera, things would probably have been a lot worse. Fortunately he noticed it immediately when he exited the van.

 

[Cubist]

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Ive not read all 8 pages either but I think the jist of is that WVM got let off with a warning despite a clear assault. Then a side debate happened as to the OPs action they claim WVM had hit their Elbow and other say it sounded more like a punishment slap (or whatever its called); regardless of being provoked or not it was still a clear assault and IMO WVM should still have been charged with assault!

Being given an adult caution is not the same as being let off with a warning.

 

[Boris Bajic]

But why dont these people see the camera and then calm down? Like the guy in this video:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uasLE9tFbFI

If I hadnt been wearing a camera, things would probably have been a lot worse. Fortunately he noticed it immediately when he exited the van.

Sir Matthew sir,

Why do you continue to share these clips? You appeared (I may be wrong) to pull out into the centre or right of the lane without signalling.

Doing so when a large vehicle was approaching from the rear was not wise or safe.

Did you really do it for the horses? They were some distance from the junction. Are you sure you weren't looking for an 'incident' or a confrontation? I'm afraid it looked as if you were. Other contributors might disagree.

I may have missed something in this video. You seemed aware of the approaching van, but rode as if you were not. If you were unaware of it, please throw away the cameras and start using your eyes. They make a perfect system for live-action capture in full 3-D. Seriously. I use them and they work!

Many cyclists and motorists fail to signal. It seems perfectly reasonable for a driver to see a cyclist swing to the centre or right of the lane and guess that they may be turning right.

In my many decades on the road I have NEVER seen any vehicle pull out across a lane without signalling to allow room for horses that are really not presenting a danger to themselves or other road users. Your action seemed eccentric. It looked contrived.

You are not (yet) a PCSO, yet you grilled the guy like some sort of Clarence Darrow wannabe. It is bizarre and disturbing viewing.

The driving wasn't great, but the WVM appeared the calm one. You seemed your normal disputatious self.

I repeat my advice of some months ago: Wind your neck in. It is hugely entertaining for other CC members to see these clips, but they do not dignify you. Quite the reverse.

 

[Matthew_T]

Sir Matthew sir,

Why do you continue to share these clips? You appeared (I may be wrong) to pull out into the centre or right of the lane without signalling.
Yes, I did not signal. I was not turning and the van was a long way back (or so I thought).
Pulling into the centre of the lane without signalling, as you did, when a large vehicle was approaching from the rear was beyond doolally.
I wouldnt really call a van a large vehicle. He was approaching yes, but as it was a blind hill at the top I was expecting the van to be doing the speed limit, not speeding.
Did you really do that for the horses? they were some distance back from the junction and can make their own way across. Are you completely sure you weren't looking for an 'incident' or a confrontation? I'm afraid it rather looked as if you were. other contributors might disagree.
Its called being courteous. Does matter if the horses were at the junction or just a little bit behind it? I moved out because I analysed the situation and decided that it would be safer for the horses and riders if I moved out. If I had not, and the van had passed me at that speed just as I was passing them, the horses could have been spooked and put my life at risk.
I may have missed something in this video. You seemed aware of the approaching van, but rode as if you were not. Why did you swing out into its path without signalling? If you were unaware of it, throw away the cameras and start using your eyes. They make a perfect system for live-action capture in full 3-D. Seriously. I use them and it works.
I dont quite understand why people go on about the camera. I do not have the camera view feed directly inserted in my eyes. I cannot see what the camera sees (wider angle and clearer picture sometimes). I was fully aware of the van approaching but from a distance it seemed that he was doing the speed limit (30) and I had plenty of time to make my manouvre. I was just pulling back in to the left when he undertook me. If he had been doing the limit, I would have had plenty of time and all this wouldnt have happened.
Many cyclists fail to signal. As do motorists. It seems perfectly reasonable for a driver to see a cyclist swing to the centre or right of the lane and guess that they may be turning right.
I think the important word here is "guess". If you are unsure of what another road user is doing, you should slow and and give them room. Non of which the driver did.
In my many decades on the road I have NEVER seen any vehicle pull out across a lane without signalling to allow room for horses that are really not presenting a danger to themselves or other road users.
Its called being courteous and other people would do good to follow my example around horses. They are unpredictable.
This looks to me like startlingly inept cycling, never mind the driving of the other party. You are not (yet) a PCSO, yet you grilled the guy like some sort of Clarence Darrow wannabe. It is bizarre and disturbing.
I did really grill him, I just evaluated his sh*t driving and critisized him for undertaking me at speed. People like him should not be on the roads.
The driving wasn't great, but the WVM appeared the calm one. You seemed your normal disputatious self.
The WVM might have appeared calm but as he said in the video, he wasnt going to argue with me when I had a camera. I dont quite understand how I was disputatious, he was the one who dangerously undertook me.

 

[Schooner]

Matthew's driver seems like a really nice guy considering he is being grilled by a Nutter!

 

[aces_up1504]

Without taking it off thread to much. Why were you so far right into the lane? You were almost on the lines, way beyond primary IMO. To most it would have appeared you going to take a right hand turn into a house.