Cyclist kills pedestrian

[theclaud]

[QUOTE 3295425, member: 45"]" Please know that this was an unavoidable accident." said the cyclist.[/QUOTE]
Was it bollocks.

 

[Crankarm]

There's a lot of anger reading that thread.

 

[Sara_H]

Shared use doesn't work, whether there are painted lines or not, pedestrians wandering all over the place mean that its impossible to go at much more than walking pace safely.

Sheffield university have just made some ambitious proposals to put a shared use route in place to link up the campus areas, I responded asking for proper segregation for pedestrians and cyclists.

 

[G3CWI]

They have a 25 mph speed limit for bikes in the park. Seems a bit high for shared use areas.

 

[nickyboy]

Shared use doesn't work, whether there are painted lines or not, pedestrians wandering all over the place mean that its impossible to go at much more than walking pace safely.

Sheffield university have just made some ambitious proposals to put a shared use route in place to link up the campus areas, I responded asking for proper segregation for pedestrians and cyclists.

Not sure what's so wrong with going slowly on a bike in certain areas. As an example I rode with a mate to Llandudno. Along the way we rode along lanes, B roads, even a few A roads at normal cycling pace. The route took us along Rhyl seafront that was thronged with tourists, all concentrating on eating ice creams rather than watching out for cyclists. Fair enough. We slowed to little more than walking pace, it was no big deal

 

[Ganymede]

They have a 25 mph speed limit for bikes in the park. Seems a bit high for shared use areas.

Blimey that's high! As someone mentioned upthread, there are roads through the park but my understanding is that they are closed to motor traffic for much of the day - does this 25mph limit apply to bikes on the road bit or on the shared paths? I mean, if you put a 25mph cycle speed limit on a shared path you are just creating the conditions for a bad accident.

 

[Markymark]

I don't get the problem here. There are roads. You can cycle on the roads like cars. Sometimes the planners let cyclists ride on the pavement alongside pedestrians. It's their space. You are being allowed to do so on the understanding they have priority. You therefore cycle accordingly. Don't whine because a shared path means you can't cycle faster. Use it for what it is, a place to cycle slowly away from the cars in places you wouldn't normally be allowed. If you want to go faster, get on the roads.

 

[Ganymede]

Blimey that's high! As someone mentioned upthread, there are roads through the park but my understanding is that they are closed to motor traffic for much of the day - does this 25mph limit apply to bikes on the road bit or on the shared paths? I mean, if you put a 25mph cycle speed limit on a shared path you are just creating the conditions for a bad accident.

I mean - it encourages nobbers to be nobbers, not that therefore all cyclists SHOULD go up to 25mph. Obv still the nobber's fault.

 

[User6179]

I think a lot of people jumping to the wrong conclusion on this thread ,have a look at where the accident happened , basically a cycle lane on a road if the reports are true .

 

[Ganymede]

I think a lot of people jumping to the wrong conclusion on this thread ,have a look at where the accident happened , basically a cycle lane on a road if the reports are true .

Got a link to a pic? The fact that he said he had to swerve around pedestrians which led him to swerve into other pedestrians makes it sound like an ordinary shared path but a pic would help.

 

[User6179]

Got a link to a pic? The fact that he said he had to swerve around pedestrians which led him to swerve into other pedestrians makes it sound like an ordinary shared path but a pic would help.

Just heading out but look up West drive in Cental park .

 

[TheJDog]

I don't get the problem here. There are roads. You can cycle on the roads like cars. Sometimes the planners let cyclists ride on the pavement alongside pedestrians. It's their space. You are being allowed to do so on the understanding they have priority. You therefore cycle accordingly. Don't whine because a shared path means you can't cycle faster. Use it for what it is, a place to cycle slowly away from the cars in places you wouldn't normally be allowed. If you want to go faster, get on the roads.

I think in Central Park the through road is closed to motor vehicles at times, at which point the pedestrians largely turn off their radar and wander everywhere. Which obviously means bicycles should slow down and be careful, if necessary. It seems this guy did not do that.

 

[Markymark]

I think in Central Park the through road is closed to motor vehicles at times, at which point the pedestrians largely turn off their radar and wander everywhere. Which obviously means bicycles should slow down and be careful, if necessary. It seems this guy did not do that.

It's more the posts on this site saying that shared paths are annoying as there's pedestrians everywhere and that you have to go slowly. My response is tough, it's their space that you've been allowed on and should do so with their rules.

 

[Ganymede]

I think in Central Park the through road is closed to motor vehicles at times, at which point the pedestrians largely turn off their radar and wander everywhere. Which obviously means bicycles should slow down and be careful, if necessary. It seems this guy did not do that.

Yes, having googled a bit that's the impression I got. West Drive is one of the through roads.

 

[Cyclist33]

I agree - but this is partly down to the obviously stupid idea of putting a painted line down a path and expecting it to magically keep pedestrians/dogs/children on one side and cyclists on the other. The guy should not have been speeding but as usual the "infrastructure" (or as we shall designate it henceforth, "the paint job") is hopelessly inadequate and the thinking behind it (or as we shall designate it henceforth, "total lack of comprehension or experience behind it") is partly to blame.

I wouldn't know - I've never been to Central Park...