misforturob
Senior Member
Dutch jury for a Dutch rider in The Netherlands?
Schreiber did move towards the barriers for a split second but not enough to impede Brand IMHO.
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Dutch jury for a Dutch rider in The Netherlands?
Schreiber did move towards the barriers for a split second but not enough to impede Brand IMHO.
She clearly sees Brand coming up on her left and closes the door. Whether it was worthy of relegation I don’t know. In the replay the commentator says he suggests Brand thought she had the win as she takes her hand of the bars to celebrate but I think she was indicating that Schreiber had cut her up.
misforturob
Senior Member
For what it's worth most Dutch commenters on Insta posts think it was a poor decision.
Schreiber didn't take to the podium so the 2nd step was empty in the presentations
Schreiber didn't take to the podium so the 2nd step was empty in the presentations
tricky to say, I dont think it was intentional as such, right but it still happened, and there was a drone shot they replayed during the lengthy deliberations, which hasnt been shared online yet that I can find, but it showed much more clearly Schreibers deviation from her line & moving left across Brands line towards the barrier which meant Brands sprint was affected.
now whether it affected it enough to change the result I dont know, Id say probably not, Brand said not as well but maybe she was just being a gallant loser, but it would have been alot closer result for absolute sure without it.
thats also to me part of it, we all thought neither rider celebrated because they were so close and it was a photo finish neither knew who had won, again the drone shot showed Schreiber actually crosses the line nearly half a bike length in front, so she knew she'd crossed the line first for sure, but didnt celebrate, even though later shes saying it was her most monumentous victory ever, probably because she knew that brief mistake if you like was going to be called for a review.
and its a harsh call no question because I think Schreiber had done enough to win that race, and had beaten Brand, and yet youve got a finish straight thats how many metres wide ? and your screwing around near the barrier, making a small mistake after 7laps of racing, and paying for it big time.
I saw theyre saying they are exploring legal options to overturn it, but I thought rule number 1 of all bike racing when you sign on is the commissaires decisions are final.
now whether it affected it enough to change the result I dont know, Id say probably not, Brand said not as well but maybe she was just being a gallant loser, but it would have been alot closer result for absolute sure without it.
thats also to me part of it, we all thought neither rider celebrated because they were so close and it was a photo finish neither knew who had won, again the drone shot showed Schreiber actually crosses the line nearly half a bike length in front, so she knew she'd crossed the line first for sure, but didnt celebrate, even though later shes saying it was her most monumentous victory ever, probably because she knew that brief mistake if you like was going to be called for a review.
and its a harsh call no question because I think Schreiber had done enough to win that race, and had beaten Brand, and yet youve got a finish straight thats how many metres wide ? and your screwing around near the barrier, making a small mistake after 7laps of racing, and paying for it big time.
I saw theyre saying they are exploring legal options to overturn it, but I thought rule number 1 of all bike racing when you sign on is the commissaires decisions are final.
Hommelbier
Active Member
Thibau Nys wins today's European Championships just ahead of Joran Wyseure. Cam Mason placed a creditable 6th. At one point not happy with the others in the chase group allowing him do the work.
No Ta Doctor
Veteran
He'd come from quite a long way back, didn't get the best start. Was on the attack chasing down the front two solo for a couple of laps
matticus
Guru
That's kinda the question I'd like answered (jus read that they - FSCL- HAVE lodged an appeal with UEC). I can't remember over many recent years any UCI or ASO decision being overturned- despite quite a few being VERY dubious. But there are international sport bodies that often get involved in other sports, where the sport's primary governors have been under scrutiny.
This is professional sport - money is involved. Contract law could come into these things, sporting decisions are not sacrosanct. (see also M*nchester City!)
p.s. IMO the sprint was 50:50 - I have seen an overhead view and it looked a LOT like an impedance! But I feel Brand's view should be respected, especially where it was the same view as many of the jury members. (and do they not have power data, even in CX? If Brand didn't ease up, there is no case for relegation, surely) Tricky!
pp.s. I agree with you about the width of track available. If it's proven that she DID impede Brand, it's her own fault, plenty of room for a fair sprint.
matticus
Guru
Well you're right ... but Cam didn't lose out, so really there's no need to relegate the other guy.
(Good to see that Michael has made a complete apology to Mason. IMO this can be put aside, no need for any boo-ing at Glasgow, for example!)
if Vanthourenhout had done that in the sprint for the line, he'd have been very lucky not to be sanctioned for it imo.
but this is often where the confusion in cycling rules happens, not least something mid race can be treated differently to the final sprint to the line, but because Middelkerke as a C1 race, they might have taken a more lenient approach and decided to let it go if it didnt affect the overall result, even though technically the rules dont allow for that and after all the instigator came off worse anyway, where as the Euros being technically a grade tier above or maybe more to the side really, but the rules on such things might be applied more strictly with less leeway.
so riders have to be aware when they are racing across all these different races, to know when things will be much stricter on certain rules, and when they wont be, and that the 300m before a finish is where the strictest interpretation of this rule is in place.
my instant reaction to it at the time watching it live was Schreiber would be very lucky for that not to be called irregular deviation movement in the sprint.