Damned if you do, Damned if you don't :P

[boydj]

Thomas, please clarify something. Is that a four-way roundabout (x-roads) or a three-way junction (i.e. effectively a T-junction)?

If it is four-way then traffic arriving from opposite sides has equal priority. If it is three-way, then traffic would be expected to give priority to traffic arriving from the junction immediately to the right - or to traffic which is already on the roundabout.

 

[thomas]

Thomas, please clarify something. Is that a four-way roundabout (x-roads) or a three-way junction (i.e. effectively a T-junction)?

If it is four-way then traffic arriving from opposite sides has equal priority. If it is three-way, then traffic would be expected to give priority to traffic arriving from the junction immediately to the right - or to traffic which is already on the roundabout.

There are only three lanes off that roundabout, where I was coming from, the way the other cyclist was coming from and the exit I chose. The lane I was on (though "opposite") is on the right hand of the lane opposite.

Haing had a look I find a bit ironic that the other cyclist did not go a round the Rab if he did you both would have missed each other.

Possibly, I sensed he was going go for it to so just slowed down for him, if he had gone around properly there may well have been space for me not to have stopped (that'll be a third instalment, as and when it happens ). I wouldn't like to give an opinion either way on it really.

 

[downfader]

My point is that you both arrive at the roundabout at the same time and both arrive at opposite points. You are not to his right at this stage so why should they give priority to you at this point ? If you were already on the roundabout then yes I would agree that as you were signalling right then you would have had priority.

4F thats still besides the point. On a 3 point RAB you still give way to the right - even if you arrive at the same time.

 

[downfader]

I see what you are saying but that area is a little bit grey. Coming upto the roundabout and actually crossing the give way markings and being on the roundabout are two seperate things. As long as you don't make the other person slow down or change direction then there is no problem.

We'd moan if a driver did it, and the highway code is clear enough on it. I dont think its grey at all.

If anything its bl**dy rude...

 

[thomas]

We'd moan if a driver did it, and the highway code is clear enough on it. I dont think its grey at all.

If anything its bl**dy rude...

Downfader, I think you and Lee (and I) are arguing the same thing more or less (especially after he clarified in the last post).

Like I mentioned as long as you don't make the other person brake or change direction then GO.

I did have to stop for the guy so it was a problem. If you're not effected it, there's nothing to complain about. There are times when it's more than safe to go when there is someone approaching from the right - on a tiny roundabout it's not really that sensible though. I disagree with it being grey area though.

Cheers Guys!

 

[Origamist]

Whilst there is something to be said for negotiating RaBS quickly, to assume other road users will respect your priority is dicey if you are arriving at the same time. However, if you anticipate possible confrontations on your approach, you will be in a far stronger position to deal with them. In this vid, Thomas did that.

With smaller RaBs, "stand offs" are not such a bad thing for cyclists as speeds are driven down (you might get the old "stop/start" ballet, but that's not really dangerous).
On larger RaBs, I generally want to carry far more speed when circulating.

 

[4F]

So if you have to give way to the right, then Thomas was in the wrong as the other guy was on his right wasn't he? It's a bloody circle! At that point he didn't know if the chap had left his pencil case in the classroom and was going to do a u-turn to go back and fetch it did he? If they both arrived at the same time, as is evident in Thomas's post and the video, then both should have taken into account the situation, and Thomas should not have put himself in a situation where he had to brake, or get an apology from the other chap.

I also find it concerning that Thomas has posted this and has justified his position by basically saying, "technically it was my right of way so he should have stopped" but last week he posted his complete balls up on the roundabout with the merc and basically wrote "technically it was his right of way, but he should have braked and given me more room". You can't have it both ways can you?!?!?!?

Learn to ride more considerately and with more fore-thought and I feel sure these incidents will become less. Or take off the bloody camera and lose the desire to play to it.

Harsh but fair.

 

[redjedi]

Harsh but fair.

I'm afraid I agree.

I have a similar RDT on my commute (the one I got knocked off on) although a little bigger.
I take the attitude that those aproaching from the opposite direction are not going to give way to me, so I go at a speed which lets me brake quickly if I find my path blocked (which happens quite often).
If I make eye contact or see quite clearly that they have stopped, then I can put the power down and carry on my way. No harm done, only a few seconds wasted in slowing down, and I'm still alive

 

[4F]

No, the other guy should have gived way to Thomas. Thomas is on the other cyclists right.

They are both on each others right given they reach the RAB from opposite points.

At the end of the day if both cyclist had followed the line of the roundabout rather than trying to cut it then they could have both transited it without several pages of discussion.

 

[downfader]

They are both on each others right given they reach the RAB from opposite points.

At the end of the day if both cyclist had followed the line of the roundabout rather than trying to cut it then they could have both transited it without several pages of discussion.

Its a three point roundabout. They were NOT coming from opposite points (as in a cross roads with a RAB in the middle),

I seriously think some of you need to study RABs a little more before you ride home tonight.

 

[4F]

Its a three point roundabout. They were NOT coming from opposite points (as in a cross roads with a RAB in the middle),

I seriously think some of you need to study RABs a little more before you ride home tonight.

From the original post it was not obvious this was a 3 way RAB. Still at 10 seconds in neither cyclist has entered the roundabout and if they both had joined at the same time and followed the line of the RAB then neither would have come into conflict with each other

Personally I don't have problems with them however would think that given the video postings of roundabout incidents by the OP he clearly needs to be a bit more aware. Also if the OP is going to state note 185 of the highway code then then the rule in its entirety should be considered.

185



When reaching the roundabout you should

• give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights
• check whether road markings allow you to enter the roundabout without giving way. If so, proceed, but still look to the right before joining
• watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout; be aware they may not be signalling correctly or at all
• look forward before moving off to make sure traffic in front has moved off

 

[4F]

And I would add that I find it rather amusing that the OP states this part of the HC given his roundabout behaviour in his other video's.

You cannot have it both ways.

 

[downfader]

And I would add that I find it rather amusing that the OP states this part of the HC given his roundabout behaviour in his other video's.

You cannot have it both ways.

The point is when someone is in the right you have to back them up. Doesnt matter if you have issues with previous things they've done or said. You seem to be disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing here.

Give the lad a chance. Its only a video blog at the end of the day and I bet even you've made a mistake or two in the past.

 

[4F]

The point is when someone is in the right you have to back them up. Doesnt matter if you have issues with previous things they've done or said. You seem to be disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing here.

Give the lad a chance. Its only a video blog at the end of the day and I bet even you've made a mistake or two in the past.

I have made numerous mistakes and errors of judgment and have no problems admitting where I have gone wrong.

However if you are going to post video's you are inviting comments so have to be prepared to accept that others may have a different viewpoint / take on the matter.

 

[Origamist]

How do you know he is in the right? Thomas has not said that he was signalling to turn right, just that his road position was correct for turning right. Also, if he now tells he did signal, which I reckon he will do, how do we know? We can't see it.

He makes it clear in his video (a title pops up to that effect) that he is signalling right.