biggs682
Touch it up and ride it
- Location
- Northamptonshire
i was offered a nice original 50's one last week , just cant fit any more bike's in the garage so had to say no 
Dating a Claud Butler
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Illaveago
Guru
- Location
- Chippenham,Wiltshire.
I read it that way as well.
Illaveago
Guru
- Location
- Chippenham,Wiltshire.
The bike looks original. One way of checking the date would be to have a look at the date marks on the brake calipers. Weinmanns are usually stamped on the back , GB's are sometimes on the front.
Illaveago
Guru
- Location
- Chippenham,Wiltshire.
From the style of graphics I would guess 60's into early 70's.
- Location
- London
Re your title.
Remember that consent is vital.
Remember that consent is vital.
ozboz
Guru
- Location
- Richmond ,Surrey
You could also try getting a date from the williams chainset.
http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/williamsdating.html
http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/williamsdating.html
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PappaRay
Regular
Cheers Ozboz, I'll see if I can Raleigh up a chaperone to ride tandem on our date.Also may need a Houldsworth to Chaperone !!
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PappaRay
Regular
Thanks for this info Steve. It'll come in useful.
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PappaRay
Regular
I'll take one and put it on.... thanks
Your bike was indeed manufactured after CB went into receivership in 1957 and the brand was taken over by Holdsworth. The bad news of it (apart from not being a genuine CB) is that Holdsworth gave up on coding the date of manufacturing into the serial number, so there is no point in holding onto that.
With CB bikes like yours, one can get an approximate dating by judgment of the lugs, braze-ons, dropouts and the paintwork/design as well as componentry, compared to known visual references on the Internet.
An indicative reference confirming that your bike is a post-1957 CB-s is the location of the pump pegs on the bottom of the top tube (vs. those on the down tube on genuine CB bikes).
Lugs on your frame are Nervex Legere (Model 48) lugs, which also confirm the Holdsworth era (CB had his own proprietary lug design). This as well, suggests that your bike is a relatively early example of the Holdsworth made CB-s, because in later years plane Prugnat lugs were used instead of the ornate Nervex types.
In summary, your frame can be dated anywhere from 1961 (the first year C.B-s were made with Nervex lugs) to 1963 when the Nervex Legere lugs were last used. Model is the Coreur equipped with mid-to-high quality components.
Hope that helps!
With CB bikes like yours, one can get an approximate dating by judgment of the lugs, braze-ons, dropouts and the paintwork/design as well as componentry, compared to known visual references on the Internet.
An indicative reference confirming that your bike is a post-1957 CB-s is the location of the pump pegs on the bottom of the top tube (vs. those on the down tube on genuine CB bikes).
Lugs on your frame are Nervex Legere (Model 48) lugs, which also confirm the Holdsworth era (CB had his own proprietary lug design). This as well, suggests that your bike is a relatively early example of the Holdsworth made CB-s, because in later years plane Prugnat lugs were used instead of the ornate Nervex types.
In summary, your frame can be dated anywhere from 1961 (the first year C.B-s were made with Nervex lugs) to 1963 when the Nervex Legere lugs were last used. Model is the Coreur equipped with mid-to-high quality components.
Hope that helps!
Drago
Legendary Member
- Location
- Suburban Poshshire
i was offered a nice original 50's one last week , just cant fit any more bike's in the garage so had to say no
Someone call an ambulance, quick! Biggs said no to a vintage bike!!!
biggs682
Touch it up and ride it
- Location
- Northamptonshire
They have been on call a few times lately as i have had to say no to quite a few nice bikes
