Digital SLR recommendations for art student ...

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david1701

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Location
Bude, Cornwall
canon vs nikon are basically same shoot different day, but major differences are as follows (ps might end up binning both lenses as AF and optics have moved miles in the last few years)

Nikon entry level (and most high end) bodies are SEXUAL especially that d7000 thing that Chase Jarvis has been blogging about (he is a paid up bran whore which biases these things)

Entry Level Nikon lenses are a minefield due to the AF motor in the lens vs body, entry level bodies won't AF with entry level lenses because neither has a motor which mf a HARD thing to learn and basically pointless (unless she ends up being a filmy but then the screens are better built for it so its a lot easier)

Canon are a lot simpler, EF lenses will work on any body - a crop body will only see the middle part of the image, EF-S lenses (smaller, lighter, cheaper) will only work on crop bodies (everything 7d and below)

Both manufacturers have awesome clever ocf systems in their flagship models, Nikon win on toys (I wish I had a dumb slave built into my flashes) but canon menus can be seen on the back of the lcd. Both are minor points you need to spend a few grand to notice.

For reference, crop bodies have sensors smaller than a piece of (35mm) film so show a cropped image from a lens, only showing the middle, hence crop specific lenses are smaller because they don't need to produce an image as big.

ISO performance is DIFFERENT to film, we're talking clean at 6400 on a D3s or 3200 on my 5dmkII not the golf ball sized grain on delta 3200 120 I get when I go play silly buggers at gigs

I can't advise you more strongly to buy secondhand, pick an amount you would be comfortable spending then spend it on what was very good kit instead of paying the new toy tax on early adopters of new kit, say a secondhand 40/50d (or d200/300) and a tamron 17-50 f2.8 would blow that d3100 and kit out of the water, giving her better AF build quality and greater DoF control

I'll help in any way I can, I'm a professional photographer (running cannon kit) with mates running almost every combo going (in fact a friend of mine does dam good work mostly on a d300 and 17-50)
 

david1701

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Location
Bude, Cornwall
ok on ebay 40ds are looking like 300-350 and 17-50s at like 200-250 so best case scenario is pushing your budget, I'll go see what d200s are going for (though they're pretty ancient by now)
 

gb155

Fan Boy No More.
Location
Manchester-Ish
On a cheaper note - I have an Nikon D40x that needs a repair (new battery cover) but otherwise works fine so if you're interested PM me.

Ta,

Mel.

If FAB doesnt want it, i'd consider it, I cant seem to PM tho, so if you could drop me a message with the price :biggrin:
 

DTD

Veteran
Location
Manchester
Most dSLRs are pretty good.
If she is a student she'll probably need one that lets her have full manual control.
Most of her fellow students will probably have Canons or Nikons, so that's a good reason to go for them.
Bridge cameras and compacts are fine at what they do, but have some serious limitations.
Do ask her.
 

david1701

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Location
Bude, Cornwall
Most dSLRs are pretty good.
If she is a student she'll probably need one that lets her have full manual control.
Most of her fellow students will probably have Canons or Nikons, so that's a good reason to go for them.
Bridge cameras and compacts are fine at what they do, but have some serious limitations.
Do ask her.

+1 on the bridge thing, the sensor size really limits your DoF control (same with 4/3rds format camera) and generally the IQ only makes people that don't know better happy
 
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Fab Foodie

Fab Foodie

hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
Location
Kirton, Devon.
Thanks for all the help guys, I'm going to go with the D3100 new I think rather than s/h or ebay.
I know there may be better bargains, but I reckon that'll be more than enough camera for now (and I hope quite a while!) ...
 

david1701

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Location
Bude, Cornwall
there is the 'present' factor of coming in a box that is well worth appreciating. Give me a nudge if you/she want any help once you've got it.

Oh and make sure you buy a memory card :biggrin:
 
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Fab Foodie

Fab Foodie

hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
Location
Kirton, Devon.
there is the 'present' factor of coming in a box that is well worth appreciating. Give me a nudge if you/she want any help once you've got it.

Oh and make sure you buy a memory card :biggrin:
Duly done, and a UV filter to protect the lens ....

Thanks for the offer of help ... it's a far cry from my Brownie!
 

david1701

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Location
Bude, Cornwall
Nikons creative lighting system, gets speedlights to talk to each other and the camera optically using pulsed light so you can set a ratio on the master flash then put them around and just shoot without setting powers like you would with studio heads, all very clever and needin all Nikon guns - I think an sb900 is £400? so it adds up quick :biggrin:
 

ttcycle

Cycling Excusiast
Nikons creative lighting system, gets speedlights to talk to each other and the camera optically using pulsed light so you can set a ratio on the master flash then put them around and just shoot without setting powers like you would with studio heads, all very clever and needin all Nikon guns - I think an sb900 is £400? so it adds up quick :biggrin:

Oh yes...it does add up very quickly...As a pro though the hope is that the kit will pay for itself one day..still hoping.

FF Also another one here prepared to help if there's any demystifying needed.
 

david1701

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Location
Bude, Cornwall
in the process of hunting down decent location lights to give my speedlights more punch and to be easier in the studio and dam does that add up, couplea grand before you notice and I'm not looking at profoto here
 
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