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GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
I'd like to see a requirement for all registered charities to publish a number showing the actual percentage of their annual funds that goes directly to the cause they are supporting. I know many will argue that it's too simplistic, but it would make for interesting reading.
Whilst it is somewhat more complex than a simple efficiency ratio, and may require the interested donor to break out a calculator, all the data you need to compare UK charitable apples with other UK charitable apples is contained in their accounts and annual report. It's called SORP.

The knack is in avoiding comparing apples with pears.
 
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400bhp

Guru
Managers of charities in money earning shocker.

Well I never.....:whistle:
 

400bhp

Guru
Whilst it is somewhat more complex than a simple efficiency ratio, and may require the interested donor to break out a calculator, all the data you need to compare UK charitable apples with other UK charitable apples is contained in their accounts and annual report. It's called SORP.

The knack is in avoiding comparing apples with pears.

To be fair, he does have a point, in that the information (AFAIK) isn't easily accessible in one place.

But then again, the table would be so difficult to draw up and the structure of many charitires will be so different that such a league table could be meaningless.

A start I suppose.

Thenm again, we could take a leap of faith and assume that most charities are pretty respectible and are trying their best to do the right thing.
 

Leaway2

Lycrist
you get what you pay for. If you want a CEO worth his weight in gold the you have to ... er... pay his weight in gold or they simply go elsewhere and you're left with the scrapings of the barrel.
But for he rest of the staff pay as low as you can get away with. I never really understood why it does not work the other way round.
 

MontyVeda

a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
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As an atheist I'm not going to contribute to Cafod or Christian Aid, but luckily there are organisations like ActionAid (whose boss had a relatively low salary in that article), Oxfam etc.
I'm an atheist too, but always put money in the CA pouch and never give owt to Oxfam. Oxfam to me is like a corporate charity and would quite happily stamp out rival charities, local record shops and book shops in order to claim its chunk of every town centre in the land.
 
It's a personal choice thing. As others have said look at the charity and make an informed decision.

If you want to help there are alternatives to money depending on your own commitments and intentions. Volunteer for a charity you deem appropriate. Help at a hospice. Give blood, Do nothing. It's your choice and not my place to judge.
 

Longshot

Senior Member
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Oxfam to me is like a corporate charity and would quite happily stamp out rival charities, local record shops and book shops in order to claim its chunk of every town centre in the land.

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Oxfam don't get to throw out other occupiers from shops in town centres. Building owners are the only ones with that opportunity and, trust me, most would rather have anyone but a charity shop in there as they have a generally negative effect on tenant mix, values, etc. However, if they can afford the rent and the others can't...
 

MontyVeda

a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
Wrong end of the stick Longshot... of course Oxfam don't have the power to throw out other occupiers.

Once upon a time we had a few 2nd hand book shops and second hand record shops, then Oxfam expanded their one charity shop in to two, with the new one solely selling books and records. Now we only have one second hand book & record shop, it's called Oxfam and it's crap.
 

srw

It's a bit more complicated than that...
Are pension fund holders now safeguarded from such actions by the trustees?
Broadly, yes - although don't ask me for the details.
 

srw

It's a bit more complicated than that...
Once upon a time we had a few 2nd hand book shops and second hand record shops, then Oxfam expanded their one charity shop in to two, with the new one solely selling books and records. Now we only have one second hand book & record shop, it's called Oxfam and it's crap.
Part of that is because there are tax breaks available to charity shops. That and the ability of (some) charity shops to attract volunteer staff rather than rely entirely on paid staff means charity shops can undercut the private sector.

However, my experience of both second-hand record shops and second-hand bookshops is that only the best survive. Most crap ones fold for a reason.
 

srw

It's a bit more complicated than that...
Actually, there is an independent group that produces just such a report, with all the major charities included. I'm having a bit of a brainfart moment and can't recollect who produces it but when I do I'll find it and post a link.
The Charity Commission website is also pretty good at presenting information in a graphical format (although Greg's point about apples and pears is a good one). It shows, for instance, that GOSH charity's cost of raising money is apparently an enormous chunk of its income while the slim, flexible and effective* hospital charity just up the road (it's the one on the Euston Road) spends almost nothing in comparison.

The Charity Commission website, of course, doesn't compare across charities - but in general nor do most donors. They have a cause, and often a charity, in mind, and want to check whether that particular one is doing a good job.

*Declaration of interest - I'm not entirely unbiassed.
 

Mickthemove

Über Member
Sadly , its all about money, money , money.

If you are rather wealthy, One sure fire way to pay less tax and spread the money around your family is to create a charitable foundation! As can be seen by the amount of sportsmen who have 'foundations' and then employ all there relatives through it and put masses of expenses through it.

So sad but a reality
 

MontyVeda

a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
even a pub selling intoxicating liquor to leery revellers can be a charity these days... so long as they have something that resembles a stage and blag they're a 'community centre'.

it's charitable status gawn maaad :wacko:
 
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