Doping git thread

[N0bodyOfTheGoat]

They're at least getting their kicks with cherry juice, pickles and beetroot!😱

 

[mjr]

I read your post, so you don't need to be snidey. If I don't agree with it doesn't mean I didn't comprehend it. I'm sure it's a topic that's been done to death, so other results will no doubt be available, but when Cycling News tested a 2013 bike with a 2023 bike, they found gains on the flat, but very few going uphill. Is that the answer for why climbing speeds have gone through the roof?

Have climbing speeds "gone through the roof"?

Someone else mentioned a "hockey stick" improvement in race speed. Last twelve TdFs winning speeds were roughly:
3660km / 90h = 40.7km/h
3360 / 84.75 = 39.6km/h
3529 / 89.1 = 39.5km/h
3540 / 86.33 = 41.0km/h
3351 / 83.3 = 40.2km/h
3365 / 82.95 = 40.6km/h
3484 / 87.33 = 39.9km/h
3414 / 82.95 = 41.2km/h
3349 / 79.55 = 42.1km/h
3406 / 82.1 = 41.5km/h
3498 / 83.64 = 41.8km/h
3301 / 76 = 43.4km/h

So this year was an outlier or step change, but that could easily be due to the unusual first week with no "easy" sprint days. Other than that, there's a bit of a trend but it loos like less of a hockey stick and more of a well-used baseball bat that's been used to hammer home one point too many!

Would anyone like to try to substantiate the speed increase claim with evidence? Probably best done in https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/the-clinic.303618/

As for whether this kind of chat should be allowed or not - this is a "doping git" thread. What on earth else is going to be discussed in it? [...]

Actual doping gits, as reported and/or convicted. Not fantasy doping git picks. There are usually different threads for fantasy racing, which is probably what needs to happen here, with speculation going to https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/the-clinic.303618/

 

[stage hunter]

Just a general question, do cyclechat's finest think that doping has disappeared from the peloton, or there are still many riders doping just with substances that are undetectable or micro amounts just under the legal limits ?

I suspect there is some micro dosing (at least) that goes on in cycling. I also suspect that other sports have bigger doping issues.

 

[cisamcgu]

I suspect there is some micro dosing (at least) that goes on in cycling. I also suspect that other sports have bigger doping issues.

Of that , I have no doubt !

 

[MadMalx]

For the big boys the risk is very high now, and the benefits of microdosing very small.
For riders trying to break through to the top level or trying to put out the numbers to secure their next contract or team place the temptation is high and chances of detection lower, unless they are actually winning the races. I would guess this is where the action is, using their own helpers rather than embedded within the team.