E Scooter on Trains

[ebikeerwidnes]

If the "bike" doesn;t have pedals then it is clearly illegal

the sticker problem is more serious
I just found a place on ebay where you can get 2 Bafang sticker for £3.50

but I doubt many people would do that for the average dodgy ebike conversion

but it still it does show that it goes back to enforcement

if a lot of people get stopped and told to show the machine is legal then they will eventually stop using the dodgy ones

and at the moment there seems to be naff all enforcement



Having said which - the number of dodgy ones I see around here has dropped greatly
I still see some that are home build one and probably >250W and all that
but they are being ridden properly and generally look like they are just being used for commuting

so something is putting the idiots off

 

[mjr]

As has been pointed out before, the compliance stickers are easily available online for a few pounds.

Put a dodgy sticker on the 'bike' on the right photographed at London Bridge station just over half an hour ago and it would pass your test.

And that's why the current compliance "kitemark" plates/stickers are rubbish. It needs to be something that can be verified as authenticated, current and valid. We know this. We've known this for ages. Commercial companies selling expensive things have been doing verifiable compliance labels for decades and the fakes basically rely on victims not verifying them carefully enough (or at all). Heck, we can verify a bank card in seconds now. Yet legislators still seem to believe in the power of magic "kitemark" symbols printed onto things, rather than realtime validation.

 

[raleighnut]

Sadly this was the last that any of us heard from @raleighnut

Nae..................still kicking here.

 

[Dogtrousers]

Having said which - the number of dodgy ones I see around here has dropped greatly

Not a trend that I've noticed in London. Bikes with fat tyres and no requirement to pedal are fairly commonplace

 

[Drago]

And that's why the current compliance "kitemark" plates/stickers are rubbish. It needs to be something that can be verified as authenticated, current and valid. We know this. We've known this for ages. Commercial companies selling expensive things have been doing verifiable compliance labels for decades and the fakes basically rely on victims not verifying them carefully enough (or at all). Heck, we can verify a bank card in seconds now. Yet legislators still seem to believe in the power of magic "kitemark" symbols printed onto things, rather than realtime validation.

China Export!

 

[ianrauk]

Having said which - the number of dodgy ones I see around here has dropped greatly

on my commute through SE London, dodgy ebikes outnumber non ebikes and the number is growing.

 

[mjr]

China Export!

Now that's just a case of someone too big to take to court actively creating a new kitemark that's confusingly similar to an existing one. I love how all the guides wibble on about checking the spacing of the C and the E to distinguish the Conformity European trademark from the China Export symbol when there's basically nothing stopping the China Export users "misprinting" theirs with more spacing and dropping all pretence that it's not an attempt at passing off. What the European authorities should be doing is adding barcodes or code numbers to the marking that buyers can look up somewhere on europa.eu and check it's what they think it is.

Of course, the UKCA symbol has the same flaw and is being actively abused by Chinese makers, but my theory on the reasons for that will get us booted to NACA because it's really not cycling politics!