Electrical question....

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The circuit breaker on the consumer unit will be rated to protect the cable serving the induction hob. The fuse in the fused spur will protect the wiring to the additional socket. The worst that can happen is that you plug two electric kettles into the new socket, turn all the rings on the hob on, and exceed the breaker rating on the consumer unit. The breaker will trip and your boiled egg won't cook but your house won't burn down. Relax.

 

[lazybloke]

They will be fitting an isolating switch somewhere for the hob. Provided that is somewhere easily accessible, you can get those with an incorporated socket, and I can't see why your builder/electrician wouldn't fit one of those. I haven't seen one with an incorporated double socket, so I suspect that may not be allowed.

Of course if the isolating switch is hidden away in a cupboard, than it will be less useful for what you want.

Yeah, every cooker point I've ever seen has a single 13amp socket incorporated, so you definitely have a (minimal) solution.

Although... what did Fabbers say was the cooker cable rating? Maybe it has capacity to run sockets and the hob? To comply with regs it would proabably need to tee into a fuse then into the sockets. Time for a detailed discussion with the sparks.

I ran a hefty 65amp (10mm) cable to to my cooker point. My cooker arrived with a 13amp plug!

 

[bikingdad90]

If they will not fit a socket, would they go for something like this
https://www.toolstation.com/axiom-p...iczc4QpSQ0gcQgvvx1MaAlJzEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

It’s a pull up socket that could be wired to a plug elsewhere.

 

[figbat]

Yeah, every cooker point I've ever seen has a single 13amp socket incorporated…

Not any more!

 

[Lookrider]

Obviously I don't know how the canker gur ths induction is run under the concrete floor etc
But there is usually a good access or conduit
So would it be plausible to stop back 3" of the outer insulation on the existing cable and same on another new cable ....connect then together by twisting the earth neutral lives together neatly then tape up smoothly
Tape the new 13A twin n earth to this and pull them through from the consumer unit end
If tbe hidden access holes are too tight ( doubt that ) you can always just pull them back so nothing is lost

 

[keithmac]

I wonder if it has to be part of the socket ring main on new builds and that's why they won't do it?.

Our cooker circuit is not RCD protected iirc so hanging a socket off that is a no-no (but it's an old house).

 

[lazybloke]

Not any more!
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I wonder if it has to be part of the socket ring main on new builds and that's why they won't do it?.

Our cooker circuit is not RCD protected iirc so hanging a socket off that is a no-no (but it's an old house).

Not only is half your cooker point missing, but you have a monstrously heavy SMEG kettle. How you cope with it?


Edited to fix the quote

 

[keithmac]

Wondered what you were on about but you seemed to have quoted inside a quote 🤔

 

[figbat]

Not only is half your cooker point missing, but you have a monstrously heavy SMEG kettle. How you cope with it?

It’s not a kettle, it’s a milk frother used as a hot chocolate maker. 😎

 

[lazybloke]

It’s not a kettle, it’s a milk frother used as a hot chocolate maker. 😎

Ah, looked like one of these heavy things.
We were given one as a freebie. Posh friends noticed and waxed lyrical. We replaced it a cheapie from Amazon!

Don't know how I quoted inside a quote. Will have a go at editing it.

 

[figbat]

Ah, looked like one of these heavy things.
We were given one as a freebie. Posh friends noticed and waxed lyrical. We replaced it a cheapie from Amazon!

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Don't know how I quoted inside a quote. Will have a go at editing it.

A bit of decadence chez figbat…

 

[rogerzilla]

I wouldn't want to drink from something creamy-coloured and labelled Smeg

 

[Lozz360]

Obviously I don't know how the canker gur ths induction is run under the concrete floor etc
But there is usually a good access or conduit
So would it be plausible to stop back 3" of the outer insulation on the existing cable and same on another new cable ....connect then together by twisting the earth neutral lives together neatly then tape up smoothly
Tape the new 13A twin n earth to this and pull them through from the consumer unit end
If tbe hidden access holes are too tight ( doubt that ) you can always just pull them back so nothing is lost

^^^Please don’t do this!^^^

There are a number of possible reasons why the builder said it is not possible to spur a socket off the cooker circuit. As already been mentioned, the cooker circuit is probably not rcd protected whereas the socket will have to be. You say the house is still under construction? As long as the kitchen floor hasn’t been screeded yet, it should be little bother to run a conduit under the floor and extend the ring main. By extending the ring main as opposed to running a spur will make any future additions on the island possible.

 

[Lookrider]

^^^Please don’t do this!^^^

There are a number of possible reasons why the builder said it is not possible to spur a socket off the cooker circuit. As already been mentioned, the cooker circuit is probably not rcd protected whereas the socket will have to be. You say the house is still under construction? As long as the kitchen floor hasn’t been screeded yet, it should be little bother to run a conduit under the floor and extend the ring main. By extending the ring main as opposed to running a spur will make any future additions on the island possible.

If tbe 2 extra T&E cables you pull through can be linked into the socket ring main that may be near the consumer unit or any other socket where there is access... .
That's not spurring off tbe cooker feed
I only say to pull to the consumer unit as the feed will go direct to cooker/consumer .its hard not seeing it but yes I guess you have to believe the electrician
If this would not work then fair enough

 

[Lozz360]

If tbe 2 extra T&E cables you pull through can be linked into the socket ring main that may be near the consumer unit or any other socket where there is access... .
That's not spurring off tbe cooker feed
I only say to pull to the consumer unit as the feed will go direct to cooker/consumer .its hard not seeing it but yes I guess you have to believe the electrician
If this would not work then fair enough

I may of misunderstood what you were saying. You appeared to be suggesting that OP strips 3” of insulation off the cable to the hob and twist the conductors of the new twin and earth cable (these conductors will be solid not stranded) to the existing cables and tape the cables together!

I don’t believe that @Fab Foodie is stupid enough to do that and I would be insulting him by suggesting he might think about it.

If I have misunderstood then I apologise. If I haven’t misunderstood then I suggest you delete it.